BornAgainBullseye
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I'd hate to be that target. Looks like my 500 group
Long range shooting question
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I believe that when people do not appreciate such a group from a heavy bench gun, it is only because they have a compromised understanding of what goes on in the reloading world.
When the human no longer has to support the rifle, now it takes a much larger understanding of ammunition to be able to compete. These guys do it because it is a pure demonstration of brain power, and not physical ability to squeeze a trigger. For that, I pay a deep respect to such shooters. They really know the game well.
When the human no longer has to support the rifle, now it takes a much larger understanding of ammunition to be able to compete. These guys do it because it is a pure demonstration of brain power, and not physical ability to squeeze a trigger. For that, I pay a deep respect to such shooters. They really know the game well.
P.B.Walsh
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I rather seeing an MOA group from a sniper rifle that had stuff all over it (like dirt, mud, etc. etc.
Now take one of those BR guns and shoot it off a bipod in the prone position and you'll get my attention, not off a bench.
+1 on the brain power and the super reloads.
A snipers weapon that shoot MOA under bad field conditions earns my respect, not 30lb+ target guns.
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Now take one of those BR guns and shoot it off a bipod in the prone position and you'll get my attention, not off a bench.
+1 on the brain power and the super reloads.
A snipers weapon that shoot MOA under bad field conditions earns my respect, not 30lb+ target guns.
My $.02
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lefteyedom
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It is like drag racing.....
The reason that your beloved "sniper weapon" can shoot Sub MOA is directly connected to the work these fine folks with their 30 pound target guns have be doing for over 50 years!!:banghead:
Compare to Autoracing. Target guns would be like top fuel draggesters. It is a very simple race. When the light turns green floor it for 440 yards then step on the brake. The driver is important but the races are won by Crew chiefs, wrenches and enginers. A drag race is the engineering game of building horsepower and transferring it into forward motion. Turning, drafting, pit stop fuel management, traffic spotting of nascar and formula 1 have been removed so that focus can be directed to the machines ability to perform to it absolute limits. A race is 5 distilled seconds which took years to perfect.
The reason that your beloved "sniper weapon" can shoot Sub MOA is directly connected to the work these fine folks with their 30 pound target guns have be doing for over 50 years!!:banghead:
Compare to Autoracing. Target guns would be like top fuel draggesters. It is a very simple race. When the light turns green floor it for 440 yards then step on the brake. The driver is important but the races are won by Crew chiefs, wrenches and enginers. A drag race is the engineering game of building horsepower and transferring it into forward motion. Turning, drafting, pit stop fuel management, traffic spotting of nascar and formula 1 have been removed so that focus can be directed to the machines ability to perform to it absolute limits. A race is 5 distilled seconds which took years to perfect.
sarduy
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i want to see their groups at 100 not 1000 yards off hand with any rifle.
General Geoff
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Zak, that 940 yard target with two groups, can only be described as obscene.
gvnwst
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Best i have ever seen.
Oh, to have his job.
Zak Smith
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Not that much trick to it really. If the winds are steady, subsequent shots to the same point of aim will produce groups just like that. It is much harder to get a first-round hit on a 2 MOA 1000-yard target than it is to shoot a 1/2 MOA group, once dialed in for the immediate conditions.
Double Naught Spy
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Uh, dude, a gun is a machine, whether shoulder fired, hand held, benched, or hard mounted as in this case. It IS a machine.
deerhunter61
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Zac,
Outstanding groups! Outstanding rifles! I would love to see you shoot!
As for shooting from prone, bench or having the rifle bolted down...I believe it is about what the shooter is trying to accomplish and not how he goes about it. There are different skills at play in each because each brings its unique challenges. Would I build and shoot a rifle that I am going to bolt down to a table? No. But I can appreciate the skills required to accomplish the groups shown.
For instance...when I shoot at the range I almost always use my lead sled. Why? Well one I do not want to take the beating from firing 30, 40 or 50 rounds out of my different rifles, Second for me it is about the rifle and not about my ability to shoot tight groups. About the only time I shoot without it is right before deer season so I can practice taking the recoil.
Outstanding groups! Outstanding rifles! I would love to see you shoot!
As for shooting from prone, bench or having the rifle bolted down...I believe it is about what the shooter is trying to accomplish and not how he goes about it. There are different skills at play in each because each brings its unique challenges. Would I build and shoot a rifle that I am going to bolt down to a table? No. But I can appreciate the skills required to accomplish the groups shown.
For instance...when I shoot at the range I almost always use my lead sled. Why? Well one I do not want to take the beating from firing 30, 40 or 50 rounds out of my different rifles, Second for me it is about the rifle and not about my ability to shoot tight groups. About the only time I shoot without it is right before deer season so I can practice taking the recoil.
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