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here is what I am looking for ... a decent setup for reloading
9 mm , 38 special, 357 magnum , 40 , and 45 ACP ...

I also want a decent set up to do 7 mm , 30-06 , 243

if someone has all the the part #'s that I would need for an entire
setup to do each of the setups I would be very happy

Not that I am lazy ... I just dont want to miss getting anything
I have been looking at so many websites and have started getting
confused at all the different options
 
Handtools? Single stage? Progressive?

Start by telling us how many rounds you want to shoot a month. If it is just a hundred or so, get a single stage, a powder measure, a scale, at least two loading manuals, dies, and probably a tumbler.

Lots of manufacturers make starter kits including all of the above. All the pistol cartridges you want to load have relatively straight walls, so Carbide dies are available, which means you do not have to lube the cases before sizing and then remove the lube after sizing.

For the rifle calibers, carbide dies are not available, so add a lube pad and lube, plus a tumbler to remove the lube after sizing. Rifle calibers will need a trimmer and chamfering set-up also, and which trimmer would be determined by how many rounds per month.

CDD
 
right now I usually shoot 3 nights a week and 2 or 3 weekends
a month ...

9 mm - approx 500 a month
38 spec - approx 500 a month
40 - this is for my buddy he usually shoots 250 a month
.45 ACP - approx 250 a month

I also shoot .357 sig usually 250 a month ..

the rifle stuff wont be that much ... right now ...

but with ammo prices ... I cant shoot as much as I want too

I figure I can get a decent ROI in a rather short period of time

as of now I have about the following ... you know those 5 gallon plastic Dry Wall Mud
buckets ...

2 buckets each of 9 mm , 38 spec, .40, .45
1 bucket each of .357 magnum and .357 sig
 
set up

there should be a sticky with list of basic.
get the MIDSOUTHSHOOTERS.COM catalogue.you will have all the makes in one book.people will tell you to get single stage press.you have to many cal for that.get the Lee clasic turret cast press.
Lee disc powder measure.
scale
Lee dies
tumbler.
Lyman reloading book.
 
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The Lee Classic Turret is one of the most recommended presses on the forum. The specific items mentioned are geared towards those with a limited budget. They may not be the cheapest choices, but they are not the most expensive and represent an excellent value. All of the items described should be available from MidwayUSA.com, but they are not the sole vendor and it would be very wise to shop around. FWIW, I purchased my Lee Classic Turret from www.fmreloading.com.

Stuff you Need for pistol:

-Reloading Manual (Modern Reloading, by Richard Lee)
READ THIS FIRST. Read it before you open all of the other boxes. In fact, you might want to purchase it before you get everything else. The first part of the book deals with the mechanics of reloading. After reading it, if reloading doesn't sound good to you, send your stuff back. This manual also has a vast amount of load data in it. As a beginning reloader, you should follow the load data as gospel. A reloading manual is an important safety item. Speer, Lyman, and Hornady also publish excellent manuals, but I included the Lee manual here since it focuses a lot on Lee equipment and will make things a little easier for a novice.

-A sturdy reloading bench
A heavy work bench is ideal, but a portable "Work Mate" bench can be used if space is tight. If possible, bolt the press to table and bolt the table to the floor.

-Lee Classic Turret Press (4-hole)
The focal point of your reloading setup. This is an auto-indexing press meaning that the turret head will turn with each stroke, bringing a different die in line with the ram. On older single stage presses, you only had one die in the press at once, requiring you to readjust the die every time you placed it into the press. In my hands, I can turn out approximately 175 pistol rounds per hour with the Classic Turret.

-Scale (Frankford Arsenal Micro Electronic or RCBS 505 Beam)
You absolutely, positively NEED to measure the charges thrown by your powder measure, regardless of the brand you choose. Over- and under-loaded cartridges both pose serious safety risks to your gun, your face, your hand, and your life. Reloading is not cooking: eyeballing it is not enough. 1/7000th or 2/7000ths of a pound can be the difference between a safe and unsafe load.

-Calipers (Frankford Arsenal Digital)
Much like your scale, calipers are the next step in the safety equation. The OAL (OverAll Length) or COL (Case Overall Length) is important because it influences pressure (i.e., safety) as well as reliable feeding in your firearm.

-Check weights (RCBS Standard Scale Check Weights)
Your scale is useless if it's not accurate. Do not use a bullet, as these can vary in weight from one to the other.

-Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure
This is how you dispense powder into, or charge, cases. It works in conjunction with a powder-through die, and dispenses powder as the case is raised into the die. The pistol die (included in the Lee 4-die set) also flares the case mouth for bullet seating. The measure uses a series of disks with small holes in it to measure powder.

-Lee 4-die set in caliber of your choice
Includes your sizing/decapping die, powder-through/expanding die, seating die, and factory crimp die. A *very light* coat of CLP or similar product on the exterior surfaces of the die will keep it from rusting.

-Lee Large & Small Safety Prime set
This device allows you to prime your cases on the press. It's cheaper to buy the large and small at the same time than to get them separately. They accommodate large and small primers, both pistol and rifle, standard and magnum.

-Lee Auto Disk Powder Measure Riser
This is necessary if you are using the Safety Prime and the Auto Disk Powder measure. This is nothing more than a tube that raises the height of the Auto Disk so it does not hit the Safety Prime while you operate the press.

-Safety Glasses (shooting glasses work fine)
In the unlikely event you pop a primer while reloading, safety glasses will minimize the chance of getting debris in your eyes.


Highly Recommended

-Tumbler and Media Separator (Frankford Arsenal)
This device will clean your brass. Clean brass can prolong the life of your dies and can feed more reliably in your firearm. Plus, shiny brass looks nice!

-Post-it notes and a pencil
Label your loads! At the very least, put the date, caliber, powder type and charge, bullet type and weight, case headstamp, and OAL. Primer type is also important if you use multiple brands and types. This step is especially important if are making +P loads, hot loads, or using brass from one caliber to form another.



Nice to Have

-Plastic Ammo Boxes
The cardboard and Styrofoam boxes from factory ammo wear out. For a $1 or $2 each, these make a handy addition for separating and storing loaded ammo.

-Miscellaneous jars and containers
You have to store brass and bullets somehow, right?

-Bullet puller (RCBS)
Everyone makes mistakes, especially in the beginning. A bullet puller is an "eraser" and will save you money so you don't have to discard perfectly good powder, cases, primers, and bullets just because you didn't charge or seat correctly.


By now you're thinking, that's great, but what about rifle? Well, here's the additional stuff you'll need/want for rifle.


Additional stuff you need for rifle:

-Lee 3-Die rifle set
Includes the full-length sizer/decapper, seating die, and factory crimp die.

-Lee Rifle charging powder die
This is not caliber specific. It enables you to charge using the auto disk powder measure. This die does not flare the case mouth.

-Lee double disk kit
This doubles the powder-throwing capability of your Auto Disk. You will need this to charge most rifle cases. Depending on powder type, you can throw about 40-50 grains of powder with the largest Auto Disk settings.

-Case lubricant (Imperial Sizing Wax)
You need case lube for sizing any and all bottleneck cases. Failure to use case lube (or not enough of it) will result in cases becoming stuck in your sizing die. I recommend Imperial Sizing Wax due to its low cost and ease of use. It feels like Chap Stick on your fingers and comes off with a simple rag or paper towel. Other options include lube pads and aerosol lubes.

-Lee Zip Trim
This acts like a lathe, spinning the case so you can trim them.

-Lee Case Length Gauge (caliber specific)
Determines the trim-to length of your cases and attaches to a Lee trimmer/cutter. Cases will generally need to be trimmed after a while due to case expansion during firing and sizing. Failing to trim cases can result in failures to chamber.

-Lee Case Trimmer
Attaches to your case length gauge and actually cuts the mouth of the case to length.

-Chamfer/Deburr Tool (RCBS Chamfer and Deburring Tool)
This is used after trimming to chamfer and deburr the case mouth. Can also be used to remove a primer crimp.



Highly Recommended

-Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
Clean primer pockets enable more consistent and reliable seating of primers.

-Stuck Case Remover (Hornady)
If you get a case stuck in your sizing die, this will help you get it out. It's not much more than a drill bit, tap, and screw set, but can be very useful.


Visit www.leeprecision.com for videos on how to set up and use the press.
 
As short as this may sound, my ONLY recommendation for a new/beginning reloader is to go buy a few books on the subject and read them through and through. Once you've done that and read and read and pretty much have it down, then I'd recommend you discuss the finer points on a forum.

But, that's just my way of doing things and I certainly don't expect anyone else to follow my way. :evil:
 
strat81: Thank you for producing a comprehensive Lee list.

I've reviewed it twice now, and I see only one item not called out: The Swivel Adapter for the Powder Measure. Does that come with the current Pro version measure, or not? That is a needed item, to set the measure properly over the turret.

In addition, under recommended items, I would add MAX cart gauges. Arguably, one can use the firearm chamber to check cartridge sizing, but the max cart gauges do more, and are nice to have conveniently at the bench.

Beyond that, I think you have covered about everything--just don't forget the media for the tumbler, and a bottle of NuCar auto polish. For media, I personally prefer crushed walnut. I find it lasts longest.

And, note that you will want one turret for each caliber / die set you buy.

Finally, I would definitely recommend at least one more manual--given your calibers, the Speer 14 manual would be a good second one, as would either the Lyman 48th or the Lyman Pistol and Revolver manual.


rtmpgh: Beyond this post, you may well start getting responses that offer alternatives, suggest a different approach, etc., beyond what strat81 produced here.

Some will suggest getting a single stage and "learn first." Since you are primarily a pistol shooter, I would disregard that. At best, a single stage setup will produce perhaps 50 rounds per hour--and you are shooting about 1500+ rounds per month. The Lee Turret can function as a single stage, but has the advantages of auto indexing for semi-progressive operation. Since you are also planning to load rifle in the near future, it perfectly fits your needs in a cost-efficient package.

Others will suggest other brands--which is fine--and may also suggest a progressive like the Dillon 550B. I'd disagree with that recommendation, too--maybe. But, at this stage for you, I would NOT suggest a progressive, and the dual use of the Classic Cast will cover you for the indefinite future. It should hold your reloading time down to perhaps 8-10 hours a month. The 550B (a manually-indexed progressive) might reduce that to five hours per month, but a noticably higher initial cost, and an auto-indexing progressive is NOT a good press to start with, IMO.

Any more questions, feel free to ask.

FWIW, in addition to Midway, other excellent sources for the gear and components are Kempf's Gun Shop and Graf & Sons. Were I to buy a kit similar to this today, I would probably buy it from Kempf's--they even have a kit built around this selection:

Jim H.
 
I would like to thank everyone that has given their input so far
I just finished printing out this thread so I could look over it again
without sitting at this dang computer ... ( after 20 yrs in the computer business ... I get sick of having to use it all the time ..
sometimes I just prefer non-electronic .. if y'all know what I mean )


jfh wow that Kempf's kit you gave a link for ... is sweet ... heck I could just make one big ole bench and section it off
and put one kit for each caliber and never have to change anything just move to a different section of the bench
lookin at my bench plans right now .. lets see 16 foot bench down both sides of the room ... a kit from Kempf's
for 9mm , 38/357, 40, 45 ACP , 223 Rem , 243 Win, 270 Win, 308 Win ... 1 bench for pistols 1 bench for rifles
the kits approx $1600 ... seems like a heck of a nice setup to me ...
 
rtmpgh:

1. For a comprehensive review of the Classic Cast Turret, see this three-part review. It is well-written, and it should give you an idea about how the press operates and its features.

2. Get your benches built--here's a couple of tips: Build them heavy-duty, and make the top extra deep. My current bench is built over standard base cabinets, and the top is 30" deep and 1&1/2" thick. This allows the presses to be mounted outside the base frames, allowing for an uncluttered workspace and even some kneespace if you want to sit while reloading.

Build it heavy-duty enough, you can stack bullets on the back edge and still have suitable workspace on the top. Finally, plan on bolting it to the wall--and build it level : Presses operate best without any cant to them.

Since you have adequate space, incorporate a bookcase, even a desktop nearby, for the manuals. Mine are on an upper shelf, right above the presses. Meanwhile, just over the bullet box stacks at the back, I have one shelf with both holes bored to hold powder measures (complete with riser and swivel adapter) to hold the alternative calibers / turrets. (Lee's round die boxes will work just fine.)

Speaking of measures, I use the Lee Adjustable Charge Bar exclusively now, not the disks, for my pistol reloading. I think the Bar comes with the Pro Auto Disk--and you will want at least two measures, particularly once you get going with rifle.

3. You should probably go up one notch on your tumbler and sifter--i.e., don't get the cheaper / smaller ones. I shoot about 200+ rounds per range trip now, and I find my Lyman 1200 tumbler is just big enough to handle that quantity and still clean efficiently.

4. About ordering: the Classic Cast Turret and some Lee items can be in scare supply, but get as much as you can from one place, IMO--saves shipping. Then, sort out a separate components order, again as much as possible from one supplier to ship under the one Hazmat fee--or, buy the powder and primers locally.

In larger quantities, Powder Valley makes sense; personally, I use Graf & Sons. Any of the suppliers mentioned so far are good ones, but Midwest is now currently quite expensive for shipping. When comparing prices, remember that Graf & Sons includes shipping in their prices; others don't.

5. Learning to reload: Even with straight-wall pistol calibers, some are easier to load than others. My recommendation would be to start with .45ACP; the cases are larger and easier to handle, and it is a lower-pressure round. Then I would go to 38 Special--and, BTW, get separate dies and turrets for 38 and 357; there's no need to reset dies even though the same ones are used for both cartridges. Save the .357 Sig / bottleneck for last to load on.

As for components--bullets: It will be easiest to start out with jacketed bullets, but there is no good reason for that--use lead bullets and learn how to load them. Personally, I consider plated bullets to be a marketing ploy and of little value; others will disagree.

A good cast bullet supplier is Mike at Mastercastbullets.com--here. However, there are many good supplier; search this forum and find the thread with other names.

Any questions, ask away--

Jim H.
 
I've reviewed it twice now, and I see only one item not called out: The Swivel Adapter for the Powder Measure. Does that come with the current Pro version measure, or not? That is a needed item, to set the measure properly over the turret.
When I bought my Pro Auto Disk a couple of years ago the swivel adapter was part of the pro measure.

rtmpgh while it would be conveint to have a CT press for each caliber it is so fast and easy to change calibers and primer feeds that if it were me I would buy one press and dies and turrets for the rest of the calibers and spend the extra money on components. Oh wait, that is what I did.:D
Rusty
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ok time to revisit this ... I have been looking at a lot of stuff since I started this thread ...

been debating stuff ... been looking at the Dillon stuff ( my dad
has offered to help set me up with some stuff .. I was suprised
maybe he wants me to reload for him too ... )

if you had your choice and you dad said get him the info and he
will purchase it for ya ... what would ya go with
Dillon , Lee
 
Rusty - what is that cable looking thing on the press? It's mounted where I would expect a primer feed system to be but I haven't seen one like that before. I use the safety prime, so forgive my ignorance.
 
LiquidTension:
Rusty - what is that cable looking thing on the press? It's mounted where I would expect a primer feed system to be but I haven't seen one like that before. I use the safety prime, so forgive my ignorance.
That is a light I mounted to my press to make it easier to check powder levels before I set the bullet on. I had a squib once when I was new so I added this light. It makes it very easy to see in the case to check for powder. I'm not worried about a small variation and you can't double with the pro auto if you are paying attention so it doesn't slow down the process at all, it just gives me a peace of mind.
Rusty
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Being as you are new I would start on the Lee turret. I went from a single stage to the Dillon RL550B and it takes substantially more concentration to work the Dillon safely. Mistakes are made much easier on the Dillon because of the fact it doesn't auto-index. It is both a negative and positive of the design as you have absolute control but you also have absolute control (hence any mistakes are your fault).
 
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