Looking for a gunsmith to shorten a barrel

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I'm wanting to shorten my Colt python barrel to 2.5". Since new stainless barrels are virtually impossible to find, I am considering having a high quality gunsmith do the job. Any recommendations on someone that could handle this correctly?


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jw
 
Jeff,

Screw with a Python? Sorry I feinted and had to pick myself up off the floor.

IMO lots of better options, I'm building a Dan Wesson .357 snubbie myself. The pic is of one on Gunbroker right now but this is how mine will look. Found a clean 4 inch version and ordered the 2 1/2 inch barrel kit and found the Pachmayr Grippers also. Don't need a .357 snub, thought it's be cool to have one though (and to have the 4 inch barrel for regular shooting as well, and maybe an 8 inch barrel later for giggles)...
 

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To shorten your present barrel it would have to be removed from the frame, cut off, and the front recountoured to match what it is now. Then a slot would have to be cut in the rib for the front sight, the sight installed, and then drilled and crosspined. Finely the barrel would have to be reinstalled. That a lot of work, and would require a gunsmith with both experience and the necessary tooling. Bottom line - it would be very expensive, and you'd risk having the gun ruined.

A better option would be to sell your Python, and then take the money, plus what you spend having the conversion done, and buy another Python with the barrel length you want. I think you'd come out ahead in the long run.
 
Heh, I know it's heresy. I picked this Python up on a trade and in my opinion it's halfway to being a pretty slick carry weapon, already has a bobbed hammer and trigger job. However, the barrel is 6+ inches and obviously that won't work for what I want to do.

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So, assuming I want to do this, any recommendations for a high quality smith?

jw
 
Measure to the front of the first post in the vent rib. The distance represents the shortest you can cut back the barrel because the front sight has to be installed there.

Another alternative would be to buy a shorter barrel, have it installed, and then sell the 6-inch one to recover part of the cost. I don't see an easy way out of this, and it might be more cost effective to buy another revolver.
 
I agree the best case would be a shorter barrel. I've been unable to find a shorter stainless replacement barrel, although I will keep looking.


jw
 
If I was faced with that problem, and did find a blued barrel, I'd buy it and get it satin chrome plated to match the rest of the revolver.
 
How about some eye protection for your girl there?

Whether you got that Python in a trade or not.. I know it's your gun...

But you're messin with a piece of ART! I thought the bobbed hammer was bad enough. At least that's a replacable part. Put bob a hammer on a Rossi, Taurus or something. Bobbin a hammer is for concealed carry guns. That's not one unless you're the incredible Hulk. Buy a doggon snubbie that's built at the factory the way you're thinking. Cutting a barrel, something that isn't made any more. It's like Bubba is your cousin or something.

It's like putting a thin metal frame around a Picaso. Low rider tires and wheels on a jacked up 4x4. Baggy cloths on a super model. Spandex on somebody too fat for spandex. Puttin a southern drawl in a NY cafe. A Baptist in Utah. A Californian living in Cape Hatterous.

It's just not right! :banghead:

I doubt you'll find a gunsmith willing to do it, and none of us would recommend one that could, and if you do, I doublt that person would be sane enough to do it right -from his mental hospital cell!

-Steve

P.S. No offense meant to Bubba, Home boys, Anorexics that wear baggy cloths, southern folk kidnapped and forced to live in NY city, Lost Baptists, Lost Kaliphornians.
 
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I think you ought to be able to have your gun set up to suit yourself... assuming the check hasn't arrived from one of the "don't mess with it" purists.

But I will point out a couple of things, one good, one not.
The good news is that cutting a 6" Python to 2.5" or even 2.7" will completely remove the barrel roll mark and not leave the BubbaMark of a half logo.
The bad news is that the front sight ramp on top of the vent rib is tapered and there is not the depth over that rear rib post to slot it for a standard Colt blade. You could saw and finish it to 2.7" to leave as much of the rib post as possible, then cut a cross dovetail for a Novak type front sight. It could be made to look neat, but it woudn't look "Colt."

SDM will cut off a S&W barrel and replace the front sight for $200. I don't know if he will work on a Colt, though. http://www.sdmfabricating.com/
Maybe Pinnacle. http://www.pinnacle-guns.com/revolver.asp
(I have no personal experience with either of those shops.)

It is still going to be a big heavy gun.
 
Thanks Jim. I'm getting a kick out of some of the responses here. I don't worship guns, I shoot them. Been shooting them since I was a kid. Became intimately familiar with them through many years in the Army; had my life saved by them. Shooting is my favorite hobby... but it's a gun, nothing more. If I can't make the Python fit the way I like it, out the door it goes. :)

jw
 
Hey Jeff,

I picked up the Dan Wesson .357 I bought off Gunbroker this evening and it's a good one. I can't wait for the snub barrel to come in. I know you realize that my comment was in jest as guns are made to shoot - nothing more. When we both get done making the snubs, we'll compare pix... Dave

Here it is now, after pix when the stuff gets in:


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To add even more grief, if you buy a new barrel, you'll have to make sure you get a barrel compatible with your Python.
If the front sight has two pins, you need an Old Style thread barrel.
One pin, and you need a New Style thread barrel.
The barrels DO NOT interchange.

The problem with finding a new 2 1/2" stainless barrel......is finding it.
A good many barrels bought at gun shows and on the internet are defective.
Either they were damaged somehow, or they were damaged by improper removal.
You cannot always detect the damage until the gunsmith attempts to install it.

Sorry to disagree with Jim, but cutting a 6" Python to 2 1/2" WILL cut right through the stampings on both sides of the barrel.

A good gunsmith for a possible cut-down is Cylinder & Slide Shop.
C&S are true wold class custom 'smiths, and they are very familiar with Colt revolvers.
They're one of the very few still around who really "understand" the old Colt lock work and are capable of working on them.

My advice: SELL the Python and buy a factory original like you want.
In the short run, it'll cost less, and in the long run it'll be worth more.
 
NGIB, You just had to make me show it.

By the way, I am not a purist. But I do feel that some things, guns, cars, and other things that aren't made any more should be preserved. That doesn't mean 'not used', just maintained and not modified beyond being able to return that item back to it's original configuration.

Do I have a few things that are customized? You bet. But I have other things that will never be customized. -Especially those that have collector value or designs far superior to comparable products of it's or a newer era.

Cutting a barrel is destroying that item. Having a custom barrel built and fitted properly is a whole different ball game. Getting a replacement hammer and bobbin it is one thing. Cutting on an original part is destroying that part.

Without bobbin that hammer, you could probably have sold that Python and had enough to buy two more Taurus's in different configurations than you already have to suit your desires. I bet you could even trade that Python for another Colt with a shorter barrel.. Something like this one. http://steveandrhonda.clearwire.net/Gunstuff/ColtCobra.JPG

-Steve
 

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It's your gun, and if you really want a snubby, go for it. First off, any gunsmith that would do something like this, you probably don't want them working on any of your guns. So do it yourself. First clamp the end of the barrel tightly in a vise. Don't worry about squashing the end of the barrel because you won't be using that part of it anyway. Next, make sure you have a new blade in your hacksaw, preferably as fine toothed as you can get, at least 24 teeth to the inch. Make a scribe mark in the top of the vented rib, allowing about 1/8 extra in barrel length for cleanup in case your sawing isn't perfectly square. Put a short length of cord through the trigger guard and around the vise so that the gun doesn't hit the floor when it comes loose. Now start cutting. This is good steel so you may want to squirt down your blade with WD40 while you cut so as not to overheat your teeth. Once the extra portion of the barrel is removed, you will need to square up the end of the new barrel. This can be done by slowly rotating the end of the barrel against the SIDE of the stone grinding wheel of a large bench grinder. Most people don't use the side of the wheel much, so it is probably still quite flat. Keep grinding until you get a nice square finish on the end of the barrel.

Next you will need to re-cut the crown. This operation is critical if you want to end up with a reasonably accurate gun. Go to the hardware store and pick out a tapered-cone grinding stone with a 1/4 inch shank that will fit in a hand held-drill motor. The actual angle of the stone isn't really important as long as the tip will fit inside the end of the barrel. Using a couple of shop rags to protect the finish on the gun, clamp it securely in the vise. Brace your arm and the drill motor against the edge of the workbench so the crown cutting stone doesn't wobble too much. And start grinding. How much is enough? Look around on the floor and find the end of the barrel that you cut off. Look at the tip of the barrel and use the old crown as a guide. But remember, the old one may be squashed a little bit from being clamped in the vise during the previous operation, so don't copy it exactly.

Now that the barrel shortening procedure is finished, you will need to mount a new front sight. The original sight and most aftermarket sights will require complicated machining operations to attach properly. But there is an easier and more practical way. Using a centerpunch, make a divot in the top of the vented rib about 1/2 inch in from the end of the barrel. Using the correct drill bit for a 10/32 tap, drill through the rib and into the top of the barrel. It's hard to tell how deep you are going with a hand drill, so the easiest way is to just drill all the way through the top of the barrel. Run the 10/32 tap into the hole and all the way through. Next take a brass 10/32 screw about 1/2 inch long, cut off the head and finish off the end nice and flat with a file. Clean everything up real good with Brakleen, especially the new threads and the brass screw. Dob a couple of drops of blue locktight on the new front sight and install it in the barrel. The heighth will be approximate, of course, and will need to be fine tuned at the gun range. WARNING: Make sure that after the initial installation and during subsequent adjustments, the new front sight does not extend into the barrel. When the adjustment is complete, take a hammer and a centerpunch and bung up the threads where the sight screws in at the top of the barrel. This will prevent it from working it's way into the barrel if it shoud come loose.

There you go, Colt Python snubnose. And you will have the pride of knowing that you did the work yourself. Enjoy.
 
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That sounds like an awful lot of hard work to me.

If you are gonna go that route, just cut it off with a metal chop-saw and leave it at that. You can just shoot the muzzle bur off.

A DAO Snubby Python don't need no steenk'n crown and front sight anway! :rolleyes:

rcmodel
 
Sure, that's the way I would probably do it. And if I had access to a disc grinder I'd round-butt the frame and grips, too. And maybe bevel the front and back of the cylinder as well. And completely grind off that goofy vented rib on top of the barrel. But I'll bet that JW wants to preserve the collector quality of the gun.
 
Mostly that kind of thing is not just a matter of being "purist", it is a matter of economics. I know little about furniture and really care less, but if I want a milking stool, I am not about to cut down a Chippendale chair to make one.

Jim
 
to read some of the replies

You are going to loose some if not all of the Factory markings on the barrel.

SO why not look at Brownells or any other parts house and find the custom barrel that really looks good, pull and save the factory barrel?

Another option would be Make your own Dan W clone fit the barrel to your Colt frame and modify a barrel sleeve to fit your Colt, then if you decide you want something else you still have the COLT Python in all it's glory!

But PM or E-mail me and we can see what will work.
 
I found a factory 4" barrel in stainless, brand new. Picked it up. I plan on pulling and selling the 6" and installing the 4" now.

jw
 
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