johnsack2001
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I plan to take the armed guard training course as soon as I can find a day when the trainer is not in a class or at his other job.
Looking for a Low cost HD and possibly CCW Hand gun.
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Ruger's p series is pretty bomb proof and you found one locally so it is on the CA approved list. It's also attractively priced. That is the one I would gravitate towards.
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wickedsprint
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Why are they charging you so much? Like others have mentioned... Budsgunshop is a good barometer for pricing and they have a list of local FFLs in almost every area.
johnsack2001
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We live "Behind the redwood curtain" and as such everything here costs alot more. Just to put it in perspective gas is $4.47 a gallon for regular and Milk is at about $3.70. and the reason they charge so much for incoming transfers is they dont want to get "Stuck" with a gun that Client X ordered. Most are charging about $60+DROS+tax and one is at a scandalous $150+Dros+tax. A couple of them do have "Layaway" programs but you have to repay the Dros fee every month until it is payed off.
Edit: And last but certainly not least prices went up since it is an election year.
Edit: And last but certainly not least prices went up since it is an election year.
johnsack2001
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Dealer Registry of Sales.
Cali and the ATF require the dealer to copy down all info related to a firearm sales transaction and they must matain the record for 20 years. Failure to do so will cost them their FFL and could lead to prison time.
Cali and the ATF require the dealer to copy down all info related to a firearm sales transaction and they must matain the record for 20 years. Failure to do so will cost them their FFL and could lead to prison time.
johnsack2001
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The Dros has to be current with in the month to pick up the HG.
Right, but why are you being charged per month if the actual transfer doesn't occur until months later? It's a sketchy business practice, first charging customers extra money to do bookkeeping that is an unavoidable condition of their business license, and second charging them repeatedly when the (already shady) fee is charged for a purchase.
They don't have to run your name through the NICS every month you have a gun held on deposit, they only have to actually work when finish paying it off and they transfer it to you. Before that, the gun still legally belongs to them and they don't have to 'do' anything at all besides keep an accurate record of how much you've put towards it.
I know California has odd laws and a small pool of available people willing to deal with the bull relating to a firearms license, but it just seems very predatory to me.
They don't have to run your name through the NICS every month you have a gun held on deposit, they only have to actually work when finish paying it off and they transfer it to you. Before that, the gun still legally belongs to them and they don't have to 'do' anything at all besides keep an accurate record of how much you've put towards it.
I know California has odd laws and a small pool of available people willing to deal with the bull relating to a firearms license, but it just seems very predatory to me.
johnsack2001
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I talked with one of the guys that work there. The paying of the Dros each month is 2 fold. One part of it is incase you pay it off early but still after the initial 10 days you will be able to pick it up and secondly is to keep the dros active so one person cannot have multiple firearms able to be picked up on the same day. As for the mark ups he told me that they keep all the weapons at his store in the basement in a vault and they also maintain the weapons. I know it is very preditory but seeing as fewer and fewer people are willing to accept incoming transfers via internet or mail it makes it hard to find reliable HGs. Rifles seem to skate around those issues but still have a 10 day holding period.
Love me some California.
Love me some California.
TexasBill
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Good Choice!
Thank heavens you didn't get one of those awful Glocks.
Glock-o-philes don't seem to be able to understand why anyone wouldn't be happy with a Glock. Whether it's "style" or the fact some people find the Glock to be uncomfortable in the hand, they're sure if you just ignore your feelings long enough, you will come to love the Glock.
It's somewhat like the Borg in Star Trek.
Thank heavens you didn't get one of those awful Glocks.
Glock-o-philes don't seem to be able to understand why anyone wouldn't be happy with a Glock. Whether it's "style" or the fact some people find the Glock to be uncomfortable in the hand, they're sure if you just ignore your feelings long enough, you will come to love the Glock.
It's somewhat like the Borg in Star Trek.
I think of the Glock as what to me a gun is after all, a tool. So I dont mind the squaryness, in fact I prefer it. I'm not a Glock fanboy, I like anything that throws a projectile.Thank heavens you didn't get one of those awful Glocks.
Glock-o-philes don't seem to be able to understand why anyone wouldn't be happy with a Glock. Whether it's "style" or the fact some people find the Glock to be uncomfortable in the hand, they're sure if you just ignore your feelings long enough, you will come to love the Glock.
It's somewhat like the Borg in Star Trek.
I find the flat sides of the grip lets me point straight every time regardless of how crappy my grip is because i rushed the draw. One less thing thing to worry about when fractions of a second count. Some rounder grip guns I have to pay more attention to, as they may be canted slightly before shooting. The XD seems great too.
Personally I don't like the bigger Glocks grip angle (1911 upbringings), but with the G26 its totally different angle & dimension. I'm sure If I had one I could acclimate myself to the G19 as well just fine.
Curious Texasbill, what would you recommend in this case?
Come on, lower your shields. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own, Resistance is futile.
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Pietro Beretta
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I know the converstation has gone a different direction, but I still had to give my input (sry guys)
Ok; I have narrowed down my beef with high point to this:
Its a fun plinking gun that feeds FMJ somewhat reliably; some people have had different experiences, mine ftf or stovepipes 1 in maybe 50 rounds, sometimes its 1 in 100 other times not at all.
Hollow points do not work in my high point, again some other people have had different experience.
For a home defense round; you don't want over penetration, a lot of us have neighbors and a pass through can be devastating, your responsible for where the round ends up. Also FMJ leave a smaller wound cavity.
For Home Defense you want a hollow point round; it is designed to expand and stay in your target, it is designed to expand creating a bigger wound cavity and create a more devastating wound.
Since My experience with High point is that they don't like hollow points; I can not in good conscience recommend this for home defense purposes for the reasons stated above.
Ok; I have narrowed down my beef with high point to this:
Its a fun plinking gun that feeds FMJ somewhat reliably; some people have had different experiences, mine ftf or stovepipes 1 in maybe 50 rounds, sometimes its 1 in 100 other times not at all.
Hollow points do not work in my high point, again some other people have had different experience.
For a home defense round; you don't want over penetration, a lot of us have neighbors and a pass through can be devastating, your responsible for where the round ends up. Also FMJ leave a smaller wound cavity.
For Home Defense you want a hollow point round; it is designed to expand and stay in your target, it is designed to expand creating a bigger wound cavity and create a more devastating wound.
Since My experience with High point is that they don't like hollow points; I can not in good conscience recommend this for home defense purposes for the reasons stated above.
I've been a Glock fan boi for some time now, love my Glock 19. However, I just picked up a Steyr M9A1 and love it! Probably the best kept secret in handguns today. The trigger pull is awesome and with the low barrel axis and grip angle, muzzle flip is very minimal. Purchased from Robertson Trading Post for $419 plus $10 shipping to my FFL. Don't know as there is a better value available today. Apparently a big arms deal in the middle east fell through, this is how these guns have become available. They are brand new, I highly recommend considering! Pair this with a Tommy Theis IWB holster and you are set to go!
WinThePennant
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That Steyr M9A1 looks like a cross between a P250 and a PPQ!
toivo
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At $360, it is high; I paid $235 for a Bersa Thunder .380 at a Gander Mountain sale last year.
He doesn't want "specialty" calibers, and I'll bet my bottom dollar it isn't CA approved.
CZ82 is OK in CA with 10 round mags.- Status
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