looking for my first shot gun

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i am a complete shotgun newb. i have been collecting, shooting, and hunting for several years now and have amassed a respectable colection of arms, but do not own nor have ever fired a shotgun. it is rapidly becoming an itch in need of a scratch. i have an unusal soft spot for odd calibers and well used guns in need of a good home so instead of running out and buying an 870 express magnum, i have decided i want a 16ga over/under for no other reason than i think they're super classy. after purusing the net, looking around the local stores and checking the back of my magazine annuals, it seems almost no one chambers the 16 anymore. so i was wondering if anyone out there could recomend a high quality 16ga o/u that would become a forever gun. one that that would go into the "never sell under any circumstance" category. my price range is right at a grand for a used gun. also, its not imperitive, but i love schnabel forends. if anyone knows of such a gun and could educate me i would be grateful.
 
jakk280rem,

You are quite welcome.
I use Dogpile for a search engine , I like the dawgie and dawgs and shotguns go well together. *wink*

My mind runs to neat SxS and pumps when I think 16ga, and single shots.
I don't know why, as I like O/U , just I personally associate the 16 with these.

I am looking forward to reading replies and learning as well.
So please share with us, what you come up with.

It that not just a neat homepage black and white photo The 16 Ga. Society has or what?

*grin*
 
Browning was cataloging a 525 in 16 gauge, but I'm not too sure if it was actually built on a 16 frame or a 12....

is it mainly for hunting, or targets?
 
i've never bird hunted before. not even sure how to get started. wouldnt mind taking up upland though. waterfouling holds no appeal to me so this gun would serve double duty as a field gun and probably take it to the trap/skeet range once a month. by the way, whats the difference between trap and skeet? thats one of the reasons the sixteen appeals to me. i'm a true conservative, taking to the field with the biggest blaster i can lay my hands on doesn't interest me. i'm more interested in grace finness and learning to shoot a shotgun effectivly.
 
i havnt neccisarily ruled anything out, sometimes i get stuck on something and cant let it go. besides, the search for the "perfect gun" can be almost as much fun as shooting it after its found.
 
Not from me, I own and love both for different reasons. Have you considered a side by side? More manufacturers make the 16 ga in that configureation than O/U. :)
 
There is a lot of things a 28gauge can't do what a 16gauge can. At any rate, with a 28 or 16 you had better factor in a reloader if you want to be able to shoot quality shotshells or you'll be stuck with shooting whatever you can find for them.

I like 16gauges too for say rabbits, quail or dove. But really a 12 gauge can be lightened up to cover the 16 gauge range and the 16 can be beefed to cover the lighter side of the 12 gauge realm. Honestly, I would stay from any of the more rare shotgun gauges as my primary or only shotgun at any rate or you can find your "classy" self out of shells or the means to make any one of these days.
 
jakk280rem

If you are buying one shotgun and not going to buy a reloader I would recommend that you purchase a 12 gauge. It is the standard gauge. Shells are cheaper. There are a wider variety of shells and the gun is more versatile.

Yes if you are only going to shoot quail subgauges (under a 16 gauge) are great. Skipping ducks and geese because you said you are not interested; subgauges are a distinct disadvantage if you are going to shoot clays (especially Trap) or Pheasants.
 
i wasnt raised in a shooting family. i dont have any friends or family that shoot or hunt. every time i want to go shooting or hunting or get started in a new sport or disipline or learn about a new gun, i'm on my own. i have no one to learn from. all my aunts and uncles that used to hunt, well, USED to hunt. i could join the club here in town, but i dont make enough money to afford enough ammo to make it wort it.
 
"...I want a 16ga..." Look around, locally, for ammo first. You may find 16 guage ammo is harder to find or much more expensive than 12 or 20 guage ammo. 12 and 20 guage ammo is everywhere.
"...I'm on my own....to make it worth it..." Join the club anyway. All kinds of doors open when you belong to a shooting club. And you'll get all the help you ask for. Being a lone shooter isn't unusual. It didn't stop me. Being a club member make that go away.
"...difference between trap and skeet?..." Mostly how the targets are launched. There's sporting clays too. That'd be target shooting with hunting scenarios. Targets moving in assorted ways. Including a target that moves how a rabbit moves. It's another shotgun target shooting game.
Relax. Buy your shotgun first. O/U's tend to be more expensive than pump guns too. A Remington 870 Express 26" 12 or 20 ga. pump MSRP is $373. Their O/U is over 2 grand. So are Browning O/U's. The Browning BPS 16 ga. MSRP is $834.
A Savage O/U MSRP is $1714.
 
jakk280rem,

WE are a folksy bunch here in Shotguns.

You are new to shotguns, and expressed a desire for a classy shotgun that means something to you - a 16 ga.

WE respect this, we really do.

Here is the deal, 12, and 20 gauge guns are going to have more choices in guns and store bought shell offerings.

Simple economics of supply and demand, you know this.

Skeet shooters have gun events, 12, 20, 28 and .410.
28 ga has always been a proven gauge in skeet.
Check any tote board and the best scores are with the 28ga.
One factor is the short shot string and couple that with less recoil and this is why.

Same reason this 28ga is that good for teaching new shooter, as a Lot of instructor do teach students with this gun and those that upland hunt understand and appreciate this gun.
Easy to tote, fells game, with less felt recoil.
In a SxS, and O/U, a classic.
Gentleman Dove Hunts in the South are one example of a "refined" and "classic" hunt.

16 ga is not dead.

In Skeet one can shoot a gauge smaller than the event, meaning one can shoot a 16 ga in a 12 ga event during tourney times.
Any time for fun.

By the same token, one can shoot a 28 ga in 12, 20 and 28 ga, then have to use the .410 in the .410 event.

Lots of folks do this, and I am one.

Not a 16 vs 28 gauge deal going on.
Instead the 16 ga is not dead, just with today's marketing toward those growing up, and not being raised around firearms, the 16 ga is not "tactical" or used in a video game, or issued by TEEM SEEL , or whatever the heck influences folks today.

Screw 'em.

WE want you as a new shooter to get what you want, are proud to own and become one with the gun.

So you have to reload shells, great!
That is part of the whole experience of owning and using a classy shotgun, no matter what gauge.

Here is what I suggest.

Find nice range or club with skeet, trap, sporting clays and the like.
Meet the folks and see what clay game you like.
Try some various shotguns, as these nice folks will assist you , and let you try some nice guns.

These might not be 16 gauge guns, still that gun in 12 or 20 may very well have been made in 16, or currently is.

You shoot a gun and feels like it is an extension of you, and the thing is good looking and classy.
Now you know what gun you can inquire and locate.
Heck the folks at this range/club might know of one.

Just get some good instruction on correct basic fundamentals and quality practice.
Pattern the gun to know what is does for you.

Too many folks even on this board go shoot skeet or trap or sporting clays with a 16 ga, while other use 12, or even 20, 28 or .410.
Those with 32 and 24 gauge shotguns, do the same thing.

I have, and I think the 32 ga is neater than all get out.
Fiocchi makes shells in 24 and 32 ga, still.


That is the reason I shared that 16ga Society site with you.
Those folks are not fanboys, instead centered, and appreciate a classic gauge and the guns that shoot them.


There are shot gunners, and then there are those that have a shotgun.
There is a difference.
 
What rotten timing. I just "gave away" a 16 ga OU. I don't know who made it. I couldn't find a maker ID anywhere. Nice old gun with some engraving and BTA wood. I still have a nice old AYA sxs in 16, but finding ammo is a PITA. I already load 12 and 20 and that's enough.
 
Best 16 ga. is the Ithaca 37, IMHO. It is designed around the shell, rather than being a reverse-engineered 12 ga. like some brands.

The really nice 16 ga. O/U are quite expensive. I would not buy a Huglu O/U, as they have virtually no resale value in my area. (Neither do the Stoeger or other "economy" O/Us.)

The 16 ga. is the standard in Europe, or it used to be. A lot of combo guns are 16 ga. If I was serious about a 16 ga. O/U or combo gun, I would wait and see what BRNO will be importing this fall.
 
Looks like Bill Hanus still has some Browning 16 gauge field guns:

http://www.billhanusbirdguns.com/

While the 16 has a dedicated following, unless you reload, finding ammo can be an issue....for upland hunting and fun targets, a 20 will cover your needs in a lighter package than the comparable 12. Both have plenty of ammo choices and supplies should be good just about anywhere. The 12 does have the greatest choices, because it is the choice for most target shooting and hunting. I prefer my 28's for dove/quail, skeet and 5-stand; I prefer my 12 for sporting clays and FITASC...that's MY choice, you need to try 20's, 16's, and 12's and see what you like best
 
i am a complete shotgun newb. i have been collecting, , and hunting for several years now and have amassed a respectable colection of arms, but do not own nor have ever fired a shotgun. it is rapidly becoming an itch in need of a scratch. i have an unusal soft spot for odd calibers and well used guns in need of a good home so instead of running out and buying an 870 express magnum, i have decided i want a 16ga over/under for no other reason than i think they're super classy. after purusing the net, looking around the local stores and checking the back of my magazine annuals, it seems almost no one chambers the 16 anymore. so i was wondering if anyone out there could recomend a high quality 16ga o/u that would become a forever gun. one that that would go into the "never sell under any circumstance" category. my price range is right at a grand for a used gun. also, its not imperitive, but i love schnabel forends. if anyone knows of such a gun and could educate me i would be grateful.

I'm like you, Jakk. Screw the endless stream of 12 gauges with their 3 1/2" chambers. I like different. I shoot side-by-sides almost exclusively and 75% of that with a 20 ga. The last gobbler I shot was with an ancient Savage Fox "B" 16 ga. SxS with a 1 1/8 oz. load of #4's. Killed him just as a 3 1/2" 12 ga.
You may have a little trouble finding an O/U in 16 ga., but if you're interested, there are some extremely classy side-by-side 16 gauges out there. You'll probably really have trouble finding ammo, but I suppose a man could order it in bulk. Other than that, it's a reloading proposition (which is what I do).
Good luck!
35W
 
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If you ever get the chance to shoot a 16ga. you will fall in love with them. I have a single shot 16ga made by stevens arms. It was my great grandfathers only gun that he bought when he came to America. so it was made right around the turn of the the last century. No serial numbers to date it with.

I have shot most everything from 410 to 12ga and the 16 is still my favorite. The biggest drawback of the 16 is ammo price and availability. The last I looked the cheapest box of 16 shells was right around the $13.00 mark. 12ga in that same load for about $5.50 a box.
 
went to the store today. handled one of those cz/huglu's. not bad. it was in 20, theyre available in 16 too. they had it listed at 769. a little pricey for my first shotgun. also handled a browning bps also in a 20. browning builds there 16's on the 20ga frame. it was light, snapped to my shoulder nicely in line of sight, but it had a 28" barrell, and was a bit front heavy. it was at 480. also big 5 had two sixteen loads, one in #4 and a #6 shot both were 8.88 for 25. unfortunatly lead is illegal here in oregon on wildlife areas and wca's. sportsmans had plenty of sixteens, not quite as many as 12's but some. all i nead to do now is find a bps in sixteen and i'll be set.
 
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