Looking for some input about Navy Arms.

[bigbadgun]

As you all recall I had won a Gun kit on gunbroker that was supposed to be an 1851 Colt Army Brass frame .44 Made by Uberti. When I recieved it low and behold it is a Pietta. I am holding off making any bad comments on Gun Broker until I see how and how Fast Navy Arms fixes this problem. Has anybody else had a similar situation like this?

 

[RJM]

I didn't know Uberti made a .44 1851 or brass framed revolvers.

 

[bigbadgun]

:banghead:well i quess they dont because the one I won on gunbroker is pietta but it said Uberti. Kind of why I bid on it.:banghead:

 

[Tommygunn]

Did Navy Arms say it was Uberti, or did Gunbroker say it was Uberti? I wouldn't hassle Navy Arms about it if it was Gunbroker's statement.

 

[mykeal]

Navy Arms, in my experience, does not say who the manufacturer is. I've found no reference to any manufacturer on their web site product listings.

Also, I've never seen Navy Arms sell directly to anyone. They are a distributor to several retail dealers. They do not sell guns on Gunbroker.

Your dispute is with the person who listed the gun on Gunbroker, not Navy Arms.

 

[bigbadgun]

The person who listed it was Val Forgett here is the listing and a photo.

WE ARE CLEARING OUT THE RETURNS ROOM AT NAVY ARMS! We are going to be listing all our returns guns, SHOT Show Samples guns, etc., on Gunbroker, so be sure to check all our listings on Old Western Scrounger! All guns will be sold as-is with no returns or exchanges and no warrenty. The guns will be described accurately and are being listed cheap! Get some cheap winter projects now! This is a set of parts for the Navy Arms Reb 60 revolver. .44 caliber, Uberti made, barrel is European proofed. Includes finished barrel, cylinder and loading lever, unfinished receiver, trigger guard, backstrap and grips. No internal parts, no screws, etc.. Sold as-is.

So Now I ask you what should my next step be?
Also I added a Picture of the barrel markings.

 

[Pancho]

I don't know about Gunbroker but I do about Ebay and know that anything but a positive response in their comments sections brings a lot of response from Ebay. There could be a contact where you can reach the seller,whoever that is, and let them know that they misrepresented the product. As far as I can tell you've got a strong case. No Returns my butt!

 

[bigbadgun]

The seller info from the sale is Val Fogett. and here is the actual auction page.
And to top it all off they didnt send the top loading lever.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90861472

 

[Tommygunn]

Also, I've never seen Navy Arms sell directly to anyone.

Have their policies changed? In the early '90s, I ordered a couple of BP revolvers from them mail order and they delivered via UPS.

So Now I ask you what should my next step be?
Also I added a Picture of the barrel markings.

I think Navy Arms has moved out of New Jersey quite awhile ago. The way the base of the barrel is cut at the foot of the plunger (to allow the cylinder to rotate the ball under the plunger) marks that as a Pietta, IMHO. Aside from the fact an earlier poster remarked that Uberti doesn't make .44 caliber Navy models.
If you're short the plunger, contact Gunbroker and complain!!

 

[RJM]

Well, they sent you the wrong product. It could be an honest mistake. Have they answered your inquiries?

 

[bigbadgun]

not yet I am gonna give it until the end of TOmarrow

 

[Jim K]

Hi, bigbadgun,

Is the only complaint that it is not made by Uberti? Otherwise it seems to be as indicated, parts. He does not say it is a full kit or that all parts are present, in fact he specifically says they are not. He says the loading lever is present, he does not list the plunger. You failed to realize that the loading assembly is two pieces.

It seems to me that you wanted so badly to get something cheap that you failed to read and fully understand what was being sold. If you got it cheap enough, you can buy the parts to finish it up. But finishing the gun just might be more trouble than you think. An awful lot of those kits ended up in the trash when folks realized they were a royal PITA. (And I got paid for assembling some of them, even though the charge plus the kit cost was far more than a complete gun would have been.)

Jim

 

[sundance44s]

I don`t know of any brass frame models made today by Uberti ...BUT I`ve heard in past years they might have made some brass framed models ., Uberti has been around a long time .. and they`ve came a long way .

 

[bigbadgun]

Jim I know the loading lever is 2 piece, the point is that in the ad on Gunbroker the seller which is Val Forgett said it was an Uberti and if you look at the photo of the markings it says Pietta. Jim have you read the actual auction I did and it says UBERTI. please read all the post on this thread before you reply in a condescending manner. I have givin the actual link to the actual auction with the actual words by the actual seller Val Forgett.

 

[bigbadgun]

And here is the e-mail that I just recieved from Navy Arms as long as they make good on it all I dont really care.

It does appear the wrong gun was shipped to you, if you will
return it to us, Mr. Forgett will reimburse you for the shipping
expense and ship the correct product.

 

[scrat]

Well it looks like you have a happy ending so far

 

[Jim K]

I responded because I know Val and don't believe he would deliberately deceive or cheat anyone. Obviously a mistake was made, either in describing the gun or in shipping the wrong gun (it turned out to be the latter), but you got all over the thing, just about calling him a liar and cheat even before you tried to work it out. I hope things turn out OK.

Jim

 

[bigbadgun]

I never said either liar or cheat so dont put words in my mouth all I was doing was trying to get feed back about the company. Again you are reading between the lines try reading what is typed. If read the entire post you would see that I also said I would let it sit until the end of the business day of tuesday.

 

[Misfire99]

You're out of line Jim

I responded because I know Val and don't believe he would deliberately deceive or cheat anyone. Obviously a mistake was made, either in describing the gun or in shipping the wrong gun (it turned out to be the latter), but you got all over the thing, just about calling him a liar and cheat even before you tried to work it out. I hope things turn out OK.

Jim BigBadGun never said anything of the sort! I think you should take a good hard look at yourself as to why you would think such a thing. BigBadGun never even hinted any of the things you are accusing him of. He even never said anything about what he thought he was bidding on other then it was an Uberti. For some reason, known only to yourself, you inferred that he didn't know anything about what he was bidding on so any problems was his fault. This is very bad. You put words in his mouth and inferred that his intelligence was below what is exceptable. What are your motives for doing such a bad thing??

 

[LEE3370]

The original question was about Navy Arms/Val Forgett.
Mr. Forgett started "cleaning out the back room" a couple of years ago on e-Bay. I have bought a LOT of "stuff" from him since he started doing it. Three times I have received the wrong thing and each time he made it MORE than good.
Uberti has made a lot of Southern replicas with brass frames for different importers.

 

[LEE3370]

"Uberti has been around a long time "
Sundance44s, that is very true. Val Forgett Sr got with Aldo Uberti (who was working for Beretta) back in the mid 50s and had him make the first Italian blackpowder revolvers. So began the company named Uberti and the things for my main hobby-playing with Italian replicas.
Uncle Lee

 

[bigbadgun]

Lee3370
That is all I was looking for thank you Sir.

The original question was about Navy Arms/Val Forgett.
Mr. Forgett started "cleaning out the back room" a couple of years ago on e-Bay. I have bought a LOT of "stuff" from him since he started doing it. Three times I have received the wrong thing and each time he made it MORE than good.
Uberti has made a lot of Southern replicas with brass frames for different importers.

 

[bigbadgun]

This is going to be my last post on this thread. Because there are a few things that need to be said. Its obvious that Mr. Keenan is the type of person that thinks so highly of himself that he cannot admit when he is wrong. The problem with Mr. Keenan is, he is the type of person that likes to read between the lines and come to conclusions before he reads the typed words. HMMM must be a politician.Or a cop.
I am adding this last post to this thread to clarify a few things.
First of all if he would read my post he would see the words upper loading lever look in the 8th post. And he didnt add in his 2 cents until the 12 post. Keep in mind that upper is the key word. So this quote was uncalled for.

You failed to realize that the loading assembly is two pieces.

Second in the first post i said "I am holding off making any bad comments on Gun Broker until I see how and how Fast Navy Arms fixes this problem."
so this statement was uncalled for

but you got all over the thing, just about calling him a liar and cheat even before you tried to work it out.

I feel that Jim Keenan was completely out of line in this matter. But I guess it dosent matter because he knows Val Forgett. This bit of knowledge means nothing to me. Mr. Keenan you need to grow up stop being such a bragger. And admit that you were so very out of line. Yes I bid on the revolver to get something cheap yup you are right about that one. But I also wanted a project. Maybe you are so rich you dont try to find bargains. Damn must be nice.

 

[theblackmeow]

re: '51 Navy in .44

Uberti doesn't make a repro '51 navy in .44 ca, as far as I know. HOWEVER, Pietta does, but w/brass frame. I hate to tell you, but I've had numerous problems w/the Pietta .44 Navy. The sear spring broke fairly quickly, followed recently by the mainspring. Nipples foul often, but that is probably not their fault. I should replace them w/stainless ones. The cylinder action is loose compared to the Uberti .36 I have. It shoots straight, though, once we have ignition. Looks like the person selling the revolver you bought wasn't paying very close attention to the info on the box. Also, Pietta usually stamps its name on the barrel, while Uberti doesn't (at least on mine it didn't). Good luck. I'm trying to find out if anyone can steer me to some quick fixes for these problems myself.

 

[mykeal]

theblackmeow -

We're well off the subject of the thread now, and frankly it should have been closed long ago.

I would be pleased to help you with your problems with this gun, but I'd like to start another thread and let this one die, if you don't mind.

So, please refer to a new thread entitled "Problems with Pietta 1851 brass Navy .44". I will start that post by quoting your message and then providing what information I can.