shiftyer1
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a .22lr is also the first thing I thought of
looking to buy rifle, first timer help!
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murdoc rose
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22 or marlin 30 30
sarduy
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you can be very accurate with a .22lr at 100 yards... i can keep 50 shots in a 3'' target with cheap bulk ammo. i have't try my luck at 150/200 yards but i will
I don't agree with that, but that is my opinion.
You get what you pay for... To a certain extent...
I have several nice Rugers, one of the last companies to put decent wood on a rifle...
And a well made rifle, (made by a company in the USA so they have product liability insurance in the USA!)
Is going to run you in the neighborhood of $450 or $500 minimum (and go WAY up from there!).
You can shave some off that by taking the 'Extras' off the rifle,
Have mat black finishes instead of the traditional gun bluing jobs that American makers are famous for,
And you can go with 'Synthetic' stocks instead of American Walnut stocks,
To shave some of the cost, time, labor & materials the rifle is made out of...
BUT,
Again, you get what you pay for!
I've been told that places like Weatherby is using Kreiger 'Production' barrels (Don't expect the hand lapping, ready to shoot without breakin barrels that Kreiger can make...
These are just 'Potentially Match Grade' barrels that haven't been broken in or lapped yet)...
That barrel alone, along with the actions we've come to expect from Roy Weatherbys' company in the past years makes it worth the $350 price tag just to TRY to see if it's going to be a 'Weatherby' or not!
I have had VERY good luck with my 'Weatherby Vanguard' in .300 Mag, but I have a buddy that has a 7mm mag that won't hit a bull in the butt at 100 yards!
Weatherby made it right, but still, there was almost 6 months in trying to get Weatherby to understand we weren't 'Average Consumers', sending the rifle back to them,
Having them send the rifle to back to local dealer, then having to pick it up again....
It was a pain in the butt for it's owner, and although the rifle shoots as good as any 'Off The Shelf' 7mm Mag now, he still cusses it every time he sees it in the gun case!
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The flip side of that coin here is,
With CNC machining, rifles are MUCH more accurate than they used to be!
Event he 'Cheap' brands have MUCH tighter tolerances then they used to have,
And the rifles themselves are shooting MUCH better than they used to because of the increased accuracy of the machining....
Labor costs have gone down dramatically!
Jorneyman gunsmiths used to be required for proper machining, fit and finish, ect.
Now you simply load a basket of parts blanks in the machine, push the button, and come back to collect the finished parts and move them to 'Bluing' or Final Finish or whatever....
No serious education required, about any monkey off the street can load/unload the machines and push the button...
Our machines even replace their own tool bits on schedule and notify people when the 'Monkey' didn't load the parts correctly for machining!
Since our CNC machines don't take coffee breaks, lunch breaks, shift changes, call in sick, take holidays, goof off, steal tooling/components, brake tooling/compents when they aren't paying attention or are mad about something....
We save a TON of money on 'Skilled' labor that was getting harder and harder to find simply because no one from the 'MTV' generations wants to work!
CNC machinery has just GOT to make the prices drop considerably, since every part in a firearm took SKILLED & TRAINED people to make/assemble/install it!
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There are some very good deals in 'Utility' firearms out there,
Ruger All Weather, Weatherby Vanguard, are just a couple,
But if you want the full on experience of FINE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP, you will still have to shell out $500 and up for it!
You get what you pay for... To a certain extent...
I have several nice Rugers, one of the last companies to put decent wood on a rifle...
And a well made rifle, (made by a company in the USA so they have product liability insurance in the USA!)
Is going to run you in the neighborhood of $450 or $500 minimum (and go WAY up from there!).
You can shave some off that by taking the 'Extras' off the rifle,
Have mat black finishes instead of the traditional gun bluing jobs that American makers are famous for,
And you can go with 'Synthetic' stocks instead of American Walnut stocks,
To shave some of the cost, time, labor & materials the rifle is made out of...
BUT,
Again, you get what you pay for!
I've been told that places like Weatherby is using Kreiger 'Production' barrels (Don't expect the hand lapping, ready to shoot without breakin barrels that Kreiger can make...
These are just 'Potentially Match Grade' barrels that haven't been broken in or lapped yet)...
That barrel alone, along with the actions we've come to expect from Roy Weatherbys' company in the past years makes it worth the $350 price tag just to TRY to see if it's going to be a 'Weatherby' or not!
I have had VERY good luck with my 'Weatherby Vanguard' in .300 Mag, but I have a buddy that has a 7mm mag that won't hit a bull in the butt at 100 yards!
Weatherby made it right, but still, there was almost 6 months in trying to get Weatherby to understand we weren't 'Average Consumers', sending the rifle back to them,
Having them send the rifle to back to local dealer, then having to pick it up again....
It was a pain in the butt for it's owner, and although the rifle shoots as good as any 'Off The Shelf' 7mm Mag now, he still cusses it every time he sees it in the gun case!
-----------------------------------------
The flip side of that coin here is,
With CNC machining, rifles are MUCH more accurate than they used to be!
Event he 'Cheap' brands have MUCH tighter tolerances then they used to have,
And the rifles themselves are shooting MUCH better than they used to because of the increased accuracy of the machining....
Labor costs have gone down dramatically!
Jorneyman gunsmiths used to be required for proper machining, fit and finish, ect.
Now you simply load a basket of parts blanks in the machine, push the button, and come back to collect the finished parts and move them to 'Bluing' or Final Finish or whatever....
No serious education required, about any monkey off the street can load/unload the machines and push the button...
Our machines even replace their own tool bits on schedule and notify people when the 'Monkey' didn't load the parts correctly for machining!
Since our CNC machines don't take coffee breaks, lunch breaks, shift changes, call in sick, take holidays, goof off, steal tooling/components, brake tooling/compents when they aren't paying attention or are mad about something....
We save a TON of money on 'Skilled' labor that was getting harder and harder to find simply because no one from the 'MTV' generations wants to work!
CNC machinery has just GOT to make the prices drop considerably, since every part in a firearm took SKILLED & TRAINED people to make/assemble/install it!
-------------------------------------
There are some very good deals in 'Utility' firearms out there,
Ruger All Weather, Weatherby Vanguard, are just a couple,
But if you want the full on experience of FINE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP, you will still have to shell out $500 and up for it!
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