Looking to start shooting - Where to begin?

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mikebb

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I've been reading the forums for a few weeks now and there is a ton of great info out here. But as of yet I haven't found anything to fit my situation, so I'm looking for some advice:

Basically, I'm looking to get into shooting sports for multiple reasons. First and foremost, I can really see myself enjoying the sport. The last time I shot anything must've been almost 20 years ago in the Boy Scouts, but I remember it being a blast (just .22lr and shotgun/skeet shooting, never shot a handgun.) My family was never into shooting, so Scouts was my only exposure. Of course, now that I'm older I see other reasons for owning a firearm, notably my personal and family safety.

So I'd like to get started shooting pistols, but I'm really unsure of where to begin. I've been down to the local range, and they won't let me touch a gun without taking a $150/4hr course on handgun safety.

I guess my questions are: should I pursue the safety class at the local range? $150 isn't much in the grand scheme of things but I'm wondering what other options may be available to learn (I've only been to 1 range.) Also, what kind of gun should I be considering at this point? I like the idea of a .22lr pistol, as ammo would be cheap, thus encouraging me to shoot more; and my fiancee might be inclined to pick it up. But with my first gun being my only gun for the time being, maybe I should consider something like 9mm?

Sorry if this was long-winded, I just have so many questions and am excited to get started!! Thanks!
 
there's lots of safety advice and info on the web. I got started on my own, over 20 years ago. Colt .45 was my first handgun, a trapdoor springfield was my first rifle.

I think a 9mm would be good. Cheap to shoot, light recoil. Or first a .22, then a 9mm.

do the Scouts still do shooting? My son's a Bear, and will be a Webelow next month. Scouts probably just do BB guns in these PC days though, not sure.
 
I guess my questions are: should I pursue the safety class at the local range? $150 isn't much in the grand scheme of things but I'm wondering what other options may be available to learn (I've only been to 1 range.) Also, what kind of gun should I be considering at this point? I like the idea of a .22lr pistol, as ammo would be cheap, thus encouraging me to shoot more; and my fiancee might be inclined to pick it up. But with my first gun being my only gun for the time being, maybe I should consider something like 9mm?

The safety class is not a bad idea, especially if you have not used a firearm in a while. Now if you have a friend or family that you can do some training with to get re-familiarized with firearms and safety with firearms I would take that route and save the money. .22lr is a great caliber to start with, 9mm is not bad either, both are cheap and cheaper, do you want to use it for home defense? if you do go with the 9mm or perhaps a .38spec. I suggest if you want a good .22lr plinker, Ruger MK III, Ruger also makes some single action .22lr pistols. Smith and Wesson 22a is decent little pistol also.

As for 9mm pistols you have a plethoria of weapons chambered in that caliber, if you dont want to spend to much get a Glock.
 
Hi !

Welcome to THR . Good questions and I'm sure others will be along to help answer them before I even get this typed.

A very good idea to take a begining course. I'm not sure I would jump at spending the $150 until I checked at other ranges and asked what they offer, and what alternatives they suggest. (either cheaper courses or other methods of learning the basics)

If you know someone that can at least work with you on the basics of handling and safety that would also be a good start ( family member or friend ).

There are also members of this board for example that are willing to meet with people like you and do some personal one on one helping. As in teaching, taking you to a range, and even letting you shoot their pistols. If you want to check on that possibility you would have to give the area in which you live so others can speak up .

.22 RF is an excellant way to start. Not the only way of course, but what a lot of people will recommend.

Good luck and keep asking ????

Edit: SEE ! Three got in before I submitted this ! LOL
 
Welcome to THR mikebb :)

I was in a similar position to you about a year ago. I started with a .22 caliber Ruger Mark II, and worked up from there. The .22 really allows you to concentrate on the fundamentals, like sight picture, trigger dicipline etc. without developing bad habits like a flinch. I recommend a .22 to start out with.

A safety course definitely couldn't hurt anything, aside fromt the $150 cost. Do you know anyone who shoots? If so, hit them up and see if they will take you to the range with them. I've found that shooters are a friendly bunch, and as long as you are willing to chip in for ammo, most will let you shoot anything they own.

The main thing you need to know about safety is the four rules:

1. Treat all guns as if they are loaded.
2. Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off of the trigger, until your sights are on target, and you are ready to shoot.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

Also, I would try and find a range that rents guns. They are a great way to try out various models, before deciding on what you want.

Oh, and it might help if you told us where you are from. If you are in the Detroit, Mi area, I'd be more than happy to schedule a range trip with ya, and you can shoot any of my guns. If not, there may just be another highroader who is willing to help you out :)
 
Since you've never fired a handgun before, I'd recommend starting with a .22LR. Something like a Browning Buckmark or Ruger MKIII or 22/45. Inexpensive up front and cheap to practice with.

If you're looking for something primarily for HD/SD, then maybe a 9MM would be a good choice. There are a bazillion out there. Find the one that fits you best and fits your budget. It will cost you more to shoot, but better for personal defense than a .22.

Another option: a .38/.357 revolver. With .38Spl semi-wadcutters they're pleasant to practice with and with the right .357 Magnum rounds, they'll stop just about anything. That's my two cents. :)
 
I think you came to the right place. There are numerous people on this board with years of experience, and most are not the type to flame someone new to the sport. Keep in mind that I'm hardly an expert, so take it with a grain of salt:

If you want to start with a handgun rather than a long gun, you could do far worse than a decent, solid .22 pistol. An entry-level Browning Buckmark or a Ruger Mark II should set you back about $250, and will give you a lifetime of cheap shooting practice. Ammo is dirt-cheap, and their minuscule recoil will help you avoid flinching and other bad habits.

Unfortunately, I don't consider .22 LR adequate for personal protection. The nice thing about the previous guns is that they're so cheap that you can easily buy an additional larger pistol without breaking the bank. One upgrade to consider might be a basic .357 revolver.

The Ruger GP-100 goes for around $350, and it's a solid, reliable performer. It's chambered in .357 Magnum, which means it will also accept the smaller .38 Special round. You'll find that the .38 Special has a mild report and minimal recoil, especially in this heavy pistol. Again, that will let you focus on stance, trigger control, and accuracy without flinching or worrying that the gun is going to beat you silly. Even if you were to buy this as a first gun, it would be a good choice. As you get better, you can chamber full-power .357 rounds and have some more fun.

Another possibility is the Beretta 92. It is a somewhat large 9mm semiauto. I find the 9mm to be an extremely mild round in pistols with this kind of heft. I think they run between $400 and $550 these days. The CZ-75 is also a nice 9mm autopistol for the money.

As far as taking the class, I suspect you'll hear a variety of opinions on that. Frankly, $150 doesn't strike me as painful. Many people spend more on Starbucks lattes in a year. And when I see how some of the newbies (and experienced people who oughtta know better) handle their guns at the range, I wish more of them had some basic training! They're not toys, and when people handle them casually or fail to keep the muzzle downrange at all times, it scares the h**l out of me.

At a bare minimum, see if you can find a responsible friend in the area with firearm experience who is willing to accompany you to the range the first time or two. Most firearm owners I know would be pleased to do that.

Also, before you plunk down your money, make sure you handle a variety of pistols first. We're all built differently, and you will enjoy shooting so much more if your pistol fits your hand properly and feels "right."

HTH,

PG
 
I've found that shooters are a friendly bunch, and as long as you are willing to chip in for ammo, most will let you shoot anything they own.

Yep, that's been my experience as well. I'll let any of my friends try out anything I've got in the safe, and I will even supply the ammo (I'm picky about what ammo goes through my firearms). I've been acquiring various firearms for more years than I care to admit, and it's unlikely that many of them would have another opportunity to try a $2K gun, and so far I've yet to see one wear out.

The standing arrangement is that after we're done at the range, they have to buy me burger and a beer. Sounds like a fair trade. :D
 
Welcome to THR mikebb. There's a veritable fountain of useful knowledge and opinions worthy of perusing herein.

I always offer the suggestion to begin shooting with a .22lr. for the reasons you already know. Inexpensive (relatively) firearm purchase and ammunition costs, low recoil + high fun factor. Great for plinking and training. Can also be useful for self defense (better than nothin').

Once you have a good feel for the basics and are ready to spend more moola, step up to either a 9mm or .38 spl. which are also relatively inexpensive firearms to buy and feed... or at least typically the next rung up the ladder. Much better for self defense purposes.

Better yet, for home self defense is a shotgun. 12 ga. or 20 ga. Costs more in terms of time and land space for practice and kicks a bit more, but if home self defense is your main concern a smoothbore usually will get the job done decisively. And busting clay pigeons is soooo much fun (gotta love reactive targets) it's like a world unto itself.
 
For those curious, I'm in South Florida (Palm Beach County). I really appreciate everyone's suggestions, I was leaning toward a .22 pistol and your responses seem to back up my thoughts. I'd really like to get a handle on gun safety and the art of shooting before I step up to a larger caliber.

I've been trying to talk my fiancee into trying shooting with me, and she's surprisingly receptive to the idea. Her thing is, if we're going to buy a gun, our first one should be good for more than just target shooting (home defense.) I think I'll win this one though, since if she likes shooting she'll feel more comfortable learning on the .22 as well. We can always upgrade later.

I did some searching on the NRA site that Cloudedice linked: It looks like the Bass Pro Shops close to me offers a $50 "First Step" program which may fit the bill for less $$. Has anyone had experience with this course, it is worth it? I really am not averse to investing the $150 (x2 for the both of us) in the local course, and I'd like to support the local business; but if I can get the fundamentals for less money that's more I'll have to invest in a good first gun and range time.

Thanks again!

mikebb
 
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Mike,

Welcome to THR!

I would not go with the "first steps" course. See if they offer NRA basic pistol.
This is a much better course for you. It should cost around $75.00 each.

To maximize your buying power you should look for a good, used .22LR gun, either a revolver or a semi-auto. After you get comfortable then you can step up to a 9mm for defense purposes.

Remember the 4 rules and practice, practice, practice!
 
Welcome to THR Mikebb!

There are a couple ways to get into shooting. The first, and probably best is to sign up for a Gun Safety class. The ones offered by the NRA are very good and will teach you safety, technique, and technical operation. The second route is to find a mentor. Every weekend thousands of people get introduced to guns through a parent, friend, or co-worker. This way is cheap, fun, and not very intimidating, but the quality of "teacher" can greatly effect the quality of safety and instruction. The third way that I would recomend is to join a shooting team. A small-bore (.22) pistol or rifle team will give you all the safety training of the NRA courses and will also give you a group of people to shoot with and enough practice to make you an excellent shot in no time. The one downside to joining a team, is you might be encouraged to buy a slightly more expensive pistol (cheap .22 can be $200-$350, entry level target pistols start around $500 and up).

Any of these paths can get you shooting pretty quickly, but whatever you choose, check out this link for the basics of gun safety:http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp
Take these rules to heart and you should have no problems. About 99% of gun accidents happen because some one failed to follow these simple safety rules.


As for what gun to pick: A .22 pistol is a great choice. Most 22s are reasonably priced and easy to use, plus the ammo is soo cheap you can afford lots of practice. Pistol shooting is pistol shooting wether it is a .22, a 9mm, or a .500 s&w magnum. If you learn how to put all the rounds into the bull's eye with a .22 than you should have no problem doing that with any other pistol.

If you want to start out with a budget gun, or you are still a little nervous about firearms then look for a .22 revolver. Revolvers are probably the cheapest type of .22 available (reliable ones can be found for as low as $150), they also have the simplest actions so it is easy to see what is happening (as opposed to semi-autos where much of the action is hidden by the frame and slide). Almost every firearms company makes some type of .22 semi-auto pistol and you will have to do some looking to see which one fits your hands and fulfills your needs. I would recomend that you start by looking a the .22s made by Ruger and Walther, they are well-made guns that have large followings.

Keep in mind that getting into the gun hobby is a lot like getting into a car hobby: Each gun is slightly different, has it's own quirks, and has a following of very devout fans who think it is the best. Fortunately, THR has a lot of very experienced people that should be able to help you out with whatever gun you choose.
 
I think a person can 'learn to shoot' on a wide variety of handguns if his first purchase is going to be a dual purpose 'to learn..but also to defend' handgun.

I'd suggest getting a reasonable starter gun that will also work for self defense, then augmenting this with a .22handgun.

Alternatively, augment it with a .22 rifle, the basic skills of trigger control, sight alignment, etc, all still apply, and you can generally pick up a very solid used .22 rifle for $100-$150

That being said, there is nothing WRONG with starting out with a .22handgun, or even buying 2 guns at once! Especially if you are going to get a 22 that is very similar to your primary gun.


So what would I recommend for a dual purpose 'Lean to shoot...but also defend' handgun?

a full sized 9mm handgun would be a good choice. Something from Sig, H&K, Walther, Smith and Wesson, Beretta, Colt, FN/Browning, Glock, Springfield XD, Ruger, Taurus, CZ...Humm, I think that is pretty much it for a list of reputable makers. I may be missing a few but close enough. Features to look for. You want a FULL SIZED handgun. Think which will jump more, a firecracker put under an empty pop can, or a firecraker put under a cast iron skillet. Heavy is your friend. Semi-auto handguns come in 4 general sizes, Full sized, Compact (really, this is more 'normal' that truely compact) Sub-compact, and micro. Stick with full sized guns or at best some slightly compact ones, Think Beretta 92, Glock 19 or 17, Ruger p95, etc. Generally these guns are going to be designed to accept a 15 round or higher magazine. You want a gun where you can get ALL your fingers comfortably on the grip, no pinkie hanging off. Also, some of these guns can tend to be a bit wide in the grip, make sure you can get the joint of your trigger finger on the trigger easily, and reach all the controls easily.


The second option I actually recommend even more strongly. Start with a .357 magnum revolver. See, a little known fact by gun novices (doesn't come up in most video games or movies) is that a .357 magnum revolver can ALSO shoot 38 specials, no change needed whatsoever. 38's, being a bit less powerful than 9mm will give you a wonderful starting ammo. You can also load (and shoot) 38 special +P ammo, where +P means it is a bit more powerful, and probably not a good idea to shoot in a 100 year old gun, but gives pretty much the same power as a 9mm. As your skill and confidence improves, you can do a mix of practicing mostly with 38 specials, but also a few 'medium velocity' 357 magnums, and then having those same 357 magnums loaded for self defense. And yes, there are boxes labeled 'medium velocity' or 'low recoil' or 'medium recoil' 357 magnum, and they are head and shoulders above a 9mm in power. Beyond that there are full power 357 magnums, for when you truely know you can handle the recoil.

Plus, a revolver as a few factors going for it. If you choose a 4inch or 6inch barreled gun with adjustable sights, you get a gun that will be very easy for you to learn to shoot on. Plus, revolvers are an inherently STRONG design, that's why you always see the newest biggest baddest calibers being found in revolvers before anything else. Additionally, revolvers tend to have very nice trigger pulls, especially 'single action'...that's where you pull the hammer back with your thumb. Revolvers are also an inherently simple design, I find starting shooters like being able to see all of what is going on, simple to loadn and unload, etc. Finally, while both modern revolvers and modern semi-autos are very reliable guns, and can take a LOT of abuse before failing, revolvers are in my experience, much better at standing up to neglect, such as being left in a dresser drawer under a stack of socks for 10 years. Taurus, Ruger, and Smith & Wesson are the big revolver names to look for.



Finally a bit on termenology you will probably encounter.

Revolver - You probably already know what this means, but what the heck. Revolver is a handgun where a revolving cylinder brings the next cartridge up to be fired as the hammer moves back. If for some reason something fails to work, the revolver can rotate a bit more cylcing another fresh round as the hammer moves back a second time.

Semi-automatic- Sometimes called just auto, or autoloader, the auto takes a small amount of the power of the exploding gunpower and uses it to both eject the empty shell and chamber a new round, and finally, also cocks the hammer. Note, for the first round you must manually work the action to pull a round from the magazine (or clip) and put it in the chamber, lined up with the barrel ready to fire.


A second layer on this is Single Action or Double Action. You can have single action revolvers and double action revolvers, single actin autos and double action autos.


Single action---Does ONE THING, and one thing only, it drops the hammer.

Double action---It does 2 things, it first pulls the hammer back and cocks it, the second thign is it drops the hammer once it has been cocked

For both a single action revolver and a single action auto, you can pull on the trigger all day long and accomplish nothing. First you ahve to get the hammer cocked somehow, normally with your thumb. In the case of a revolver, this will also cause the cylinder to revolve, lining up a cartridge with the barrel ready to fire. For an auto, you need to already have a cartridge lined up with the barrel ready to fire, or you will just be dropping that hammer on air.

For the single action revolver, you pull the trigger, hammer drops, BANG. Now you start over, pulling back the hammer to revolve another fresh round up, then pulling the trigger BAM! etc.

For the single action auto, remember, it has harnessed some of the exploding gunpowder to eject the old shell, chamber a new one AND RECOCK THE HAMMER. So all you ahve to do is pull the trigger to drop the hammer a 2nd time, and BANG again.

Double Action revolver, there is a mechanical tie-in between the trigger and the hammer. This makes the trigger pull longer, as you are also pulling the hammer back at the same time with one finger (you can manually pull it back with your thumb still if you want, makes it easier on your finger, the gun shakes less as you do it, and that means a tiny more accuracy when you DO pull the trigger) As the hammer goes back (from the trigger being pulled) cylinder revolves, a new round is lined up with the barrel, then BANG. YOu can keep on pulling on the trigger and the gun will keep on firing. If the hammer would fall on an old bad cartridge, just pull the trigger again the cylinder will revolve more and a fresh round will line up. Unless you are cocking the hammer with your thumb, all the trigger pulls will be long.

For a double action auto, again the trigger is manually linked to the hammer. Pulling the trigger will also cock the hammer, but as with the semi-auto, you first must have a cartridge lined up with the barrel ready to fire...however, no need to cock the hammer with your thumb, just pull the trigger. Like the revolver, this trigger pull is going to be longer and heavier, as you are pulling against a cocking spring with jsut your finger, not your strong thumb. However, you only have this long hard pull ONCE, as after you shoot, the gun recocks itself, so on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc shot, the hammer is allready back. This means you will experience two very different trigger feels when shooting a double action auto.


Because the experience of pulling the trigger of a double action auto is much different at the beginning people actually disabled part of the autoloader actions so that the hammer didn't automatically recock. They did this especially for police, because they wanted every shot to require a long deliberate trigger pull, not just the first shot. This subclass of Double Action Automatics are called Double Action ONLY. They also normally have the hammer bob cut off so you cannot grab it with your thumb, so no matter what, all shots are going to be long and deliberate.


Some people have also done the same with revolvers, cut the bob off the hammer of a double action revolver, so you cannot cock it with your thumb, but really the reason they do this is because some people like to stick a small revolver right in their pants pocket, and that hammer would snag when they tried to pull it out. The idea was 'hey I am using this thing for self defense, not target shooting! I'd rather have an easy time pulling it out of my pocket, than the option to cock the hammer like some target shooter, I am not going to take the time to carefully thumbcock the hammer, if I need my gun for self defense I am just going to be yanking that trigger back and shooting!'
 
Starting from basically zero, I think a course would be a good idea. Checking around at acouple of ranges would give you a good idea about what would be a fair price. What you will get in addition to an introduction to firearms is knowledge of the laws in your area. Once you belong to the range you will meet others and probably get to try their guns or rent guns to get an idea about what types of guns you want to own. Personally, I'd start out with the .22 and then know what I want in a larger handgun. I shoot both the .22 and my 9mm.
 
I think I'll win this one though, since if she likes shooting she'll feel more comfortable learning on the .22 as well. We can always upgrade later.

Although I use bigger iron for HD, a .22LR loaded with CCI Stingers isn't exactly chump-change. I would use one, particularly since one of them is what I use for most of my (inexpensive) practice.
 
The best thing to do is get some training before you buy a gun. I reccomend the NRA Basic Pistol course. It covers everything you need to know at the start and gives you a chance to learn the fundamentals under the guidance of an instructor. You'll also get a chance to try different guns. To find a class near you check ou the NRA website at www.nra.org and ask around at the local ranges and gun clubs. The NRA page is a good place to start, but many instructors don't bother to list their classes on the NRA site. It is a common class and you should be able to find one reasonably close to you.

I highly reccomend a .22 as a first handgun. You'll learn more with a .22 then you will with any centerfire handgun. The low recoil allows you to concentrate on the fundamentals and helps keep you from developing a flinch. The low cost of the ammo lets you shoot more.

A good .22 can be bought for $175 to $250. That's pretty cheap. Get the .22, shoot it for six months, then buy a centerfire pistol.
 
1) Go to a local range and shoot different gund. Choose teh one tha tfits your hands best and the one you feel most cumfortable with.

2) Take a hand gun dafety course or beginners/basic course and become familar with pistols and revolvers.

3) Practice, Practice, Practice.

A good handgun with less recoil but effectiveness would be a .38 or 9mm. Don't worry about brand until you've shot many differnt types and again, go with the one that feels best and the one you shoot best.

Good luck and let us know it you need any help in finding instructors of shooting ranges near you.
 
Simple and inexpensive solution is an NRA First Steps Class.

This should cost no more than $50 plus range fee. It is great for beginners. I know, I teach it. I'm not drumming up business for myself as I live in MN. It is a 4 hour course with an excellent manual that goes into everything about handguns, and their operation, safety, how to clean the gun, how to store the gun, how to aim, caliber and ammunition types, etc.. You can't beat it for the money.
 
I've been trying to talk my fiancee into trying shooting with me, and she's surprisingly receptive to the idea. Her thing is, if we're going to buy a gun, our first one should be good for more than just target shooting (home defense.) I think I'll win this one though, since if she likes shooting she'll feel more comfortable learning on the .22 as well. We can always upgrade later.

I can pretty much tell you that you won't be buying just 1 gun. It's like Lay's. Your first gun might as well be a good quality gun that you'll always need and not end up trading in for the new fad. A good .22lr is always needed in a gun collection so start from the bottom up. Get a .22 single action revolver. It will slow you down enough to prevent you from submiting to rapid fire. I just picked up my first handgun as a ruger single six. It's solid, reliable and fun to shoot for cheap. You can also replace the .22 lr cylinder with a .22 wmr cylinder for more power simply by pulling out a rod and swapping cylinders. It's not a perfect SD round, but .22wmr is a big step up from .22lr especially since they have real copper jackets.
 
Consider a gun show put on by an NRA affiliate gun club/collector organization. The one I belong to (Washington Arms Collectors) has a number of NRA training classes offered during the year, generally two or three times a year for the Home Firearm Safety class.
 
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