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64 Iraqis Die in Battle With U.S. Forces

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer

NAJAF, Iraq - Iraqi insurgents and rebellious Shiites challenged the U.S.-led occupation force on two fronts Tuesday, mounting a string of attacks across the south and fighting pitched battles against Marines in the turbulent city of Fallujah.


Sixty-four Iraqis and two coalition soldiers — including an American — died in the violence Tuesday, bringing the three-day total to 18 Americans and 134 Iraqis killed in the worst fighting since the war that toppled Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).


On the Fallujah front, Marines drove into the center of the Sunni city in heavy fighting before pulling back before nightfall. The assault had been promised after the brutal killings and mutilations of four American civilians there last week. Hospital officials said eight Iraqis died Tuesday and 20 were wounded, including women and children.


U.S. warplanes firing rockets destroyed four houses in Fallujah late Tuesday, witnesses said. A doctor said 26 Iraqis, including women and children, were killed and 30 wounded in the strike. The rockets destroyed the houses in two neighborhoods in the city after nightfall, the witnesses said.


The dusty, Euphrates River city 35 miles west of Baghdad is a stronghold of the anti-U.S. insurgency that sprang up shortly after Saddam's ouster a year ago.


U.S. authorities also launched a crackdown on radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his militia after a series of weekend uprisings in Baghdad and cities and towns to the south that took a heavy toll in both American and Iraqi lives.


The fighting marks the first major outbreak of violence between the U.S.-led occupation force and the Shiites since Baghdad fell a year ago. The 30-year-old al-Sadr, however, does not have a large following among majority Shiites — many see him as a renegade, too young and too headstrong to lead wisely.


With fighting intensifying ahead of the June 30 handover of power to an Iraqi government, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said American commanders in Iraq (news - web sites) would get additional troops if needed. None has asked so far, he said.


State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said al-Sadr and his followers were not representative of a religious cause but of "political gangsterism."


"They're not acting in the name of religion, they're acting in the name of arrogating for themselves political power and influence through violence, because they can't get it through peaceful persuasion," he said.


In the latest U.S. deaths, five Marines were killed Monday — one in Fallujah and the others on the western outskirts of Baghdad — and five U.S. soldiers were killed in attacks in Baghdad, Kirkuk and Mosul on Monday and Tuesday. Eight Americans were killed in Sadr City on Sunday. At least 614 American troops have died in Iraq since the war began.


Marines waged a fierce battle for hours Tuesday with gunmen holed up in a residential neighborhood of Fallujah. The military used a deadly AC-130 gunship to lay down a barrage of fire against guerrillas, and commanders said Marines were holding an area several blocks deep inside the city. At least two Marines were wounded.


The crackdown on al-Sadr, who has drawn backing from young and impoverished Shiites with rousing sermons demanding a U.S. withdrawal, sent his black-garbed militiamen against coalition troops Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.


Fighting in the southern cities of Nasiriyah, Kut, Karbala and Amarah and in a northern Baghdad neighborhood killed 30 Iraqis, coalition military officials said. Tuesday evening, gunfire was heard in another part of Baghdad, Sadr City, where fierce battles occurred Sunday, residents said.


Fearing a U.S. move to arrest him, al-Sadr on Tuesday left a fortress-like mosque in the city of Kufa, south of Baghdad, where he had been holed up for days, his aides said.


Al-Sadr issued a statement saying he was ready to die to oust the Americans. He urged his followers to resist foreign forces.


"America has shown its evil intentions, and the proud Iraqi people cannot accept it. They must defend their rights by any means they see fit," the al-Sadr statement said.


"I'm prepared to have my own blood shed for what is holy to me," he said.

Al-Sadr moved to his main office in Najaf, in an alley near the city's holiest shrine, according to a top aide, Sheik Qays al-Khaz'ali. Hundreds of militiamen were protecting the office Tuesday, but there was no independent confirmation al-Sadr was there.

Perhaps more worrisome than the current fight with al-Sadr's forces is the possibility that he will start drawing support from more mainstream Shiite leaders who have largely supported the Americans until now.

The U.S.-led coalition announced a murder warrant against al-Sadr on Monday and suggested it would move to capture him soon. U.S. officials would not explain why they were only releasing word of the warrant Monday. They said an unnamed Iraqi judge had issued it in the past months.

Still, the heavy battles over the past three days showed that even with limited backing, al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia is capable of a damaging fight.

The militiamen clashed with coalition troops Sunday in Baghdad and outside Najaf in fierce fighting that killed 61 people, including eight American soldiers.

In Nasiriyah on Tuesday, 15 Iraqis were killed and 35 wounded in clashes between militiamen and Italian troops, coalition spokeswoman Paola Della Casa told an Italian news agency Apcom. Eleven Italians troops were slightly wounded.

Della Casa said the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields, and a woman and two children were among the dead.

Fighting overnight in Amarah between al-Sadr's followers and British troops killed 15 Iraqis and wounded eight, said coalition spokesman Wun Hornbyckle.

In Kut, militiamen attacked an armored personnel carrier carrying Ukrainian soldiers, killing one and wounding five, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said. Two militiamen were killed in the fight. Ukraine has about 1,650 troops in Iraq.

U.S. Marines encircled Fallujah early Monday, and on Tuesday, they penetrated several central neighborhoods for the first time. Mortar and rocket-propelled grenade blasts were heard, and one witness said a Humvee was ablaze.

Heavy fighting also occurred between Marines entrenched in the desert and guerrillas firing from houses on Fallujah's northeast outskirts. For hours into the night, the sides traded fire, while teams of Marines moved in and out of the neighborhood, seizing buildings to use as posts and battling gunmen. Helicopters weaved overhead, firing at guerrilla hide-outs.

"We are several blocks deep in the city of Fallujah," Marine Maj. Briandon McGolwan said. He said several helicopters were hit by small arms fire, but none were downed. He said Marines had detained 14 people since Monday.

L. Paul Bremer, the top civilian administrator in Iraq, conceded not all was going smoothly as the coalition approached the June 30 handover, a date he said was inviolable.

"We have problems, there's no hiding that. But basically Iraq is on track to realize the kind of Iraq that Iraqis want and Americans want, which is a democratic Iraq," he said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Also Tuesday, two South Korean aid workers were set free, a day after being detained by a Shiite group in southern Iraq, a South Korean Foreign Ministry official said. The two men were doing relief work in Nasiriyah on Monday when shooting erupted between Italian forces and Shiite militiamen, said the official.

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They don't need an arrest warrant. This is the time to make it plain that we aren't going to screw around any more. He is afraid he is not going to have any power in the new government, and if he is this much of a whack job he doesn't need any. Beware of self centered egotistical people of any kind.
 
30-year-old al-Sadr

I am sure the marines will make sure he does not reach the age of 31. I sure hope they kill him, his followers and family.
 
A 30-year-old religous leader with a band of well-armed followers. Sounds like a job for the ATF.
 
They're not acting in the name of religion, they're acting in the name of arrogating for themselves political power and influence through violence, because they can't get it through peaceful persuasion...

Sounds a lot like American leftist extremists, actually.
 
Al-Sadr issued a statement saying he was ready to die to oust the Americans. He urged his followers to resist foreign forces.
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"I'm prepared to have my own blood shed for what is holy to me," he said.

He means he is ready for the gullible who follow him to die.

"what is holy to me" His own skin.

Della Casa said the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields, and a woman and two children were among the dead.

This is a disgusting act of cowards but would not stop me from taking them out.
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Is anyone else thinking of the Tet Offensive and seeing similarities here? The press who are looking to link the Iraqi war with Vietnam are just drooling over this. But they forget what really happened in Tet. The Vietcong were handed their heads. Oh yes, there was some fierce fighting that surprised a lot of observers, but at the end of the day, the VC were done as a viable force. The war was mostly carried by NVA regulars after that. The VC were never the force they once were on the battlefield.

Now in Iraq the insurgents are making the same error Giap made in 1968. They are expending all their forces in an attempt to convince us to go home. They are coming out in the open and engaging us in set piece battles they can't possibly win and we are killing them by the score. The difference is that there is no Islamic army to carry on the fight after we crush the insurgents. They have no NVA to carry on the fight. I doubt we'll see the SANG or the Syrian Army infiltrating units into Iraq to keep up the fight.

All we need to do is keep up the fight, we're about to turn the corner. This is nothing more then an attempt to break the political spirit of our nation.

Jeff
 
I think the marines need some sensitivity training.
Hmmm... Pre-sensitivity-training Marine:

IRAQI INSURGENT: "American Marine, you die!"

MARINE: BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG!

IRAQI INSURGENT: "Aieee..." (falls to the ground and dies).

MARINE: "Right verb, wrong object, sucker!"


Post-sensitivity-training Marine:

IRAQI INSURGENT: "American Marine, you die!"

MARINE: BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG!

IRAQI INSURGENT: "Aieee..." (falls to the ground and dies).

MARINE: "Oh, dear... I'm so terribly sorry for not understanding your religious convictions... What will the First Sergeant say?"

FIRST SERGEANT: "Get your *** in gear and go get some more!"

:D :D :D
 
Sensitivity training

"I think the marines need some sensitivity training. "

I think this is a great idea. What say we engrave sensitivity slogans into the shell casings so the guys can read them as they reload. We might even be able to rework the tracers so they spell out "I'm sorry!" in lighted trails as they tear through the dark.

Just a thought. I think I'm turning liberal.

hehhehheh

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A 30-year-old religous leader with a band of well-armed followers. Sounds like a job for the ATF.
And make sure that [former] Assaulter General ahhhh Attorney General Janet "Shaved Yeti" Reno is leading the charge. :evil:
 
I hope our soldiers remember what George Patton said, "It is not your duty to die for your country, it is your duty to make the enemy die for his country." :D




I am sure they will be judged by allah. It is our responsibility to arrange the meeting for them.:cool:
 
Jeff White
Is anyone else thinking of the Tet Offensive and seeing similarities here?
I agree with what you wrote, Jeff, with the one further observation that in January of 1968 the fighting had been steadily building for around five years, and America had already suffered casualties in the thousands or tens of thousands. In Iraq today, we have no such long track record, and indeed seem poised to finish things relatively soon. There is no analogy in Iraq to the assistance that was being given North Vietnam by Russia and China. <Casts a wary eye toward Syria>:scrutiny:

TC
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Still, the heavy battles over the past three days showed that even with limited backing, al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia is capable of a damaging fight.

This statement by the reporter is ludicrous. The ONLY reason these guys have not yet been handed their collective heads on a platter is because the Marines are fighting with restraint to minimize civilian casualties. If they were let loose to do what they do best, the Marines would have the city in less than a week.
 
The resident liberal, anti-war guy (a friend of mine actually) here at work sent me a message yesterday with some stoopid cartoon about how Bush said bring it on. The cartoon showed a guy walking into GW's office carrying the now infamous picture of the charred bodies hanging from the bridge and him stating something like "Sir, theyve brought it on..." or something. Well, my response to my friend was that if this is all they're bringing, this should wrap up pretty damned quick then. I guess he just doesn't get it. The city is surrounded by the 1st MARDIV. They simply have no chance of coming out alive. All it would take is the order to destoy the city and it would be over in a matter of hours, maybe minutes. That's what the Iraqis fail to understand. Of course that won't happen because we are too wrapped up in being compassionate and PC.

GT
 
Listening on the radio this morning to a recent traveler in Iraq and other destinations in that part of the world.

He said that Sadr's militia are a bunch of goons, that often act like the Taliban. They beat up women who come out in public without there faces covered. Sadr acts as judge in his own court to mete out punishment.

Article in the Washington Post today quoted a Marine officer saying that some of the die hard militiamen stand out the open blasting away until they kill are get killed. This is in Fallujah
 
This crap is just religio-political gangsterism promoted by a bunch of radicals who can't put together a legitimate constituency.

It is also a reminder that the war we went there to fight isn't over yet. Though many want to shift into 'nation building', it's not yet time. The next 90-120 days are going to be real interesting, but if we have a brain in our colective head, it's time to quit worrying about the pc/touchie-feelie crap and kill off the thugs as quickly and efficiently as possible, and win the damn war.
 
Amen!!

Yes! Let's get to the real job in spite of sKerry and company. It is hell to have to fight so many allies of our enemies right here at home. Imagine what would have happened during WWII if we had been so divided.

rr
 
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