*** M-14 mods ,custom stocks , M4 stock what would you do? 21st century look ***

[starpuss]

*** M-14 mods ,custom stocks , M4 stock what would you do? 21st century look ***

i am looking to spend 1200-1500 on a gun (for hunting ) what would you put on this gun to give it a 21st century look

hear in canada there are not a hell of a lot of guns like this you can hunt with , mini14, sks , m-14 thats about it..

hear are some things i am looking to get from marstar

Norinco M-14S is a semi-auto copy of the famed M-14 any Canadian with a std firearms license can own there 399.00 at marstar

now they got this aftermarket Custom M-14 Aluminium Stock w. Picatinny Rails for it for $675.00

but then you need to buy the m-4 butt plate ,Pistol grips , witch is 100.00-200.00 more

also is 7.62x51mm .308??

 

[3 gun]

I'd pass on that stock and take a look at the one made by Sage. Same stock being used by the GI's right now. From what the site says, unless you have an order in already for a rifle you may have missed the boat, at least for now. Being a Norinco M-14 you may find it needs some upgrades to be its best. You can find more detail about the rifle upgrades and stock at http://www.fulton-armory.com/

 

[starpuss]

 

[General Geoff]

in my opinion the JAE-100 is the best aftermarket stock available for the M14 pattern rifle. It plays off the M14's strengths (high power cartridge, long distance shooting) instead of trying to fill its weaknesses (long, cumbersome in close quarters).

 

[starpuss]

yes the jae-100 is cool , but trying to get one into canada may be a bitch

 

[H2O MAN]

The SAGE EBR or the LAW483 MCS are the best modernized stocks available for the M14.
The SAGE EBR is the choice of the US military. It is battle proven.

The Marstar stock is a heavy copy of the SAGE CQB EBR, but it's not a bad stock.
The JAE is nice looking, it's not really a mod stock, it has many, many parts and is very, very heavy.
Fulton does not make the MCR .308 (whatever that is) for the M14, it is a re badged LAW483 TROY MCS.
EDIT: The MCR .308 configuration pictured above is ridiculous! They have mixed CQB, SASS and DMR together.

These are some of mine.

 

[TexasRifleman]

also is 7.62x51mm .308??

Oh boy, we gonna get to do that one again?

Let's just say that in the specific case of an M14 they are the same as long as the headspace is not on the extreme end, which it probably won't be but it's worth checking when you buy it.

 

[H2O MAN]

This is not a bad set up for our friends North of the border. I like the Magpul items best.

 

[MassMark]

H2OMan put it nicely. Though I have a bit of trigger time with a Sage, H2O has the added benefit of actually owning both of them. I had to choose one stock and I went with the Troy MCS. For me personally, it took my M1A to a whole new level. It really is a super modular platform - bringing seemingly infinite options to the M1A/M14. I picked it over the Sage for a few reasons - namely take down ease, cowitness ease, the tension system and optics mounting. The Troy MCS is also battle-proven and is being used on the ground by combat troops in the Middle East as I type this, (see pic below). I think either would be a superb choice for modernizing the venerable M1A/M14, but I feel that for me, the Troy MCS took my rifle to a slightly higher level of utility and the accuracy gains were immediate. I have not read any really positive reviews about the Marstar offering and think that if this is the route you want to go, you should PM H2OMan for more information on the Sage and contact the designer of the Troy MCS here: Law483 or visit the folks at Troy Industries

 

[Coronach]

JAE, but I'm basing this upon pictures and having played around with one or two of the other tactical ninja rail systems. IMO, railing up the m14 like an m4 just doesn't work right. But I'm a cake eating civvie.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I want JAE to make a stock that, on the exterior, resembles a GI fiberglass stock, but has their chassis system underneath. Maximum accuracy, simple maintenance, classic lines.

Mike

 

[Bwana John]

Bubba is as Bubba does.

Save the bells and wistels for the parade, buy more ammo with the money you save.

 

[trbon8r]

I still think for a field rifle the VLTOR Modstock is the best solution. It's light weight, quick handling, and decidedly unclunky. The VLTOR stock has no fussy bedding system and no screws to take loose during disassembly of the rifle from the stock. I have no problems keeping 5 rounds inside a 4" circle at 200 yards with surplus ball ammo from a prone position with improvised support. With some decent ammo I'm sure it would do better.

Here are pictures of my rifle with the VLTOR stock:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=289855&highlight=m1a

The supposed accuracy benefit of the SAGE and TROY stocks come at a penalty of weight and handling. Some of these M1As I see look like they weigh nearly as much as a BAR. The VLTOR doesn't add weight to your M1A, instead it reduces weight.

 

[doubleg]

What have people done to those poor M-14's. John Garand would have cried if he saw these pictures.

 

[Southern Raider]

What have people done to those poor M-14's. John Garand would have cried if he saw these pictures.

If John Garand was half the engineer most of you make him out to be, he would have welcomed any changes that improved upon the shortcomings of his design and extended it viability and service life.

As an engineer myself, I can tell you that any engineer who considers his designs to be unimprovable is a hack. John Garand was no hack.

If you prefer the look and feel of wood on your weapons, just say so; it's your rifle and your preference. Don't project your preferences onto the designer of the weapon who is no longer here to speak for himself.

[rant off]

 

[dm1333]

My unit has a couple of M14T and that stock is HEAVY! Luckily for us the farthest you have to lug the thing is from the armory to the boat dock and back. My advice would be a nice synthetic stock, stay away from anything with a gazillion rails or that is made from metal. To be fair I am a big fan of the M16 anyway.

 

[GunTech]

I've owned the JAE, and while it is very nice and give a superb fit between stock and rifle, it is heavy. I finally went back to a synthetic GI. I don;t need to add a couple of pounds to an already hefty rifle. Short and light is my choice

I went from this:

To this:

And finally ended up here:

YMMV

 

[Medusa]

I'm also on similar path. At first, for me the weapon is the mechanical part, stock is just an interface between the weapon and shooter. So if one interface doesn't cut it, something else is needed. For me it's a bit difficult to shoot prone and low prone with standard stock, as the grip angle is too shallow. I might try different hold, like thumb being on top of the stock, not around like on a pistol. But pistol grip is pretty useful, anyway.

Vltor looks nice and light, but these lack the selector cut (all the M14 I can look at here are with deactivated selectors, including mine). Sage/Troy, I dare to say, are good and combat-proven, but extremely difficult to get (I live in Europe, so they should be shipped here). JAE looks pretty good for semi-sniper rifle system, and does come with the selector cut. I just have to ask whether the maker ships them internationally. If not the regular GI stock with optics have to do.

BTW, there are rumors that the M14 parts (like magazines) are considered "tactical goods" and not shipped outside US. Any truth to that?

 

[Southern Raider]

BTW, there are rumors that the M14 parts (like magazines) are considered "tactical goods" and not shipped outside US. Any truth to that?

The US State Department maintains a "munitions list" of items that may not be exported outside the US without their approval. As you can see from the list, many non-traditional items are considered to be "munitions".

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/usml.htm

Even encryption software using greater than 128 bits are "munitions".

 

[H2O MAN]

Nice stick GunTech!

Is that an UltiMak rail?

You can shorten it a little more by installing a GLFS D/H - 18 and a DC Vortex

 

[Henry Bowman]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I want JAE to make a stock that, on the exterior, resembles a GI fiberglass stock, but has their chassis system underneath. Maximum accuracy, simple maintenance, classic lines.

Mike

How about this:

Carbon fiber synthetic stock with Al rails embedded; minimum weight.

 

[marksman13]

I have a SAGE stock for sale if you decide that it is the stock for you.

 

[Coronach]

Henry Bowman-

Who makes that? And when you say rails embedded, I assume you mean the rail system visible on the forearm? The nice thing about the JAE is the chassis system that, allegedly, eliminates the need to bed the rifle. I like rails on some guns, but I don't have much use for them on a M14.

Again, though, I'm a fat and happy civvie, shooting in the controlled environment of a private range. If a soldier or Marine identifies a need and wants a Sage stock with all the bells and whistles, he should get a Sage stock with all the bells and whistles.

Mike

 

[Firepower!]

7.62 and latest furniture

Instead of changing an old M14 (sorry) I recommend a brand new one from one of these companies out there which make .308 in AR 15 style.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Mike,

I'm not one to put rails all over an M14 (or M1A) either. But the military is moving toward a semiauto platform that can provide a higher powered (than 5.56mm) round for long range sniping instead of the bolt action M24/M40. Reverting to the M14 instead of reinventing the wheel was natural, but has been awkward (in my opinion) to adapt to the "tactical" feature expectations of the 21st century.

 

[trbon8r]

Instead of changing an old M14 (sorry) I recommend a brand new one from one of these companies out there which make .308 in AR 15 style.

Instead of switching over to a finicky design that is known for sometimes being tough to get running right, I think updating a tried and true design makes more sense, but your mileage may vary.

If most of us wanted a .308 AR we would have bought one.