M1 Carbine, what do you think?

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Howdy folks. I've been thinking about getting an M1 Carbine, but I would like your opinions first. It's primary purpose would be a plinker and a good conversation piece in my house. Here are my questions for you.

What other caliber would you compare the ballistics to?
What could I hunt with it?
Would it be a good home-defense weapon?
What would be the maximum effective range for engaging a target (assuming one is a pretty good shot with rifles)?
What's your overall opinion of the rifle?

Other comments, questions, gripes, concerns?
 
About on par with the .357 Magnum. Considered effective within 100yds. HP/SP ammo is said to markedly improve it's effectiveness. I'd much prefer one over a pistol in a gunfight. Very fun to shoot. Don't know about hunting with one.


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What other caliber would you compare the ballistics to?

It is probably more similar to 357 magnum than anything else.

What could I hunt with it?

It would fall into what most people consider a "varmint" class cartridge. It is legal to hunt deer with it in Georgia, but would be a marginal caliber for that. It is a good round for wild dogs and coyotes.

Would it be a good home-defense weapon?

Yes, especially if loaded with soft points. It would pretty much out class any handgun you might use for home defense.


What would be the maximum effective range for engaging a target (assuming one is a pretty good shot with rifles)?

It has a longer range than you would ever be able to justify using in a self defense situation. For varmint hunting applications, I would consider 150 yards with iron sights to be a reasonable range. Better shooters might be able to shoot further than that though.

What's your overall opinion of the rifle?

I love the M1 Carbine and think it is a wonderful combination of history, ergonomics, and reasonable firepower. No, it is not a full battle rifle. It was not intended to be. It was intended to provide non-combat soldiers with a weapon more effective than a handgun, and it certainly did that. The carbine has many detractors, but these people don't understand what the carbine's intended purpose was, and have tried to use it for the wrong purpose. I guess these are the same kind of people who would try to drive nails with a screwdriver. Front line soldiers would sometimes swap for a carbine, because it was handy and light, and then find that it was not as effective as the M1 Garand in terms of stopping power at long range. Well, no duh. It was not intended for that.
 
In order:

As I recall, the .30 Carbine is "about" comparable to the .357 Magnum.

You can hunt small game, and small deer with the Carbine. Most any smaller animals can be taken with the Carbine IF you use sporting ammo, and stay within the Carbines range.

The Carbine, again loaded with sporting expanding ammo is an excellent home defense rifle. It's small, light, short, very "handy", has a large magazine, GI versions in good condition and well maintained are very reliable, and at short home defense ranges it does the job.
You could easily do worse.

The Carbines effective range is "about" 150 yards and under.

Overall, the Carbine is a finely made rifle, with an excellent reputation. When it was used in Korea at longer ranges it got bad reports for failure to stop.
Noticeably, in WWII and Vietnam when used at the shorter ranges it was designed for, it got a good reputation, especially among the actual combat vets who used it.
Among others, Audie Murphy very much liked the Carbine.

Concerns:
Try to buy a USGI Carbine in good condition. GI Carbines are at least 60 years old, and may be worn or abused.
Modern commercial Carbines are often not made to USGI standards and may give problems.

The usual cause of GI Carbine problems are old or commercial magazines, and ammo that's not made to strict GI standards and specs.
Buy good magazines, preferably USGI, and note that MOST 30 round magazines are either worn out GI or substandard commercial copies.
These 30 round mags often give problems, so you may be better off to use USGI 15 round mags.

When you get a Carbine have it checked out or check it out thoroughly.
Suspect springs should be replaced with USGI springs ONLY..... NO "extra power" springs. The Carbine was designed to work with GI spec springs and stronger ones often cause problems where there were no problems.

CLEAN the Carbine and if the gas piston seems sticky, have a qualified gunsmith disassemble it and clean the gas system.
If it's necessary to disassemble the gas system, replace the piston and piston nut with new GI parts.

Keep the gas system DRY. NEVER allow solvent or lube to get into the system.
Any thing allowed into the gas system will be burned to a tar-like substance by the super-heated gas and will cause stoppages.
When used with GI-spec ammo, the gas system was self-cleaning.

If you need to dissemble the gas system or bolt, use GI-type ordnance tools.
There are GI and commercial copies of the GI gas piston nut wrench and the bolt disassembly tool.

It's not unusual for GI carbines to have worn, fouled, or weak extractor and ejector assemblies. The bolt tool will allow the bolt to be easily disassembled for cleaning or parts replacement. While you "can" disassemble and reassemble the bolt without the tool, you'll WISH you hadn't.

Lube the Carbine properly, preferably using a good grease to grease key parts like the bolt, op rod, and receiver. Where ever you see wear taking place.

If the Carbine has operating problems, try different ammo, and different magazines.
 
Wait another month or so and see what the CMP comes up with on the carbines they have.

Wherever you go, try to find a GI version, not a 60s civilian model like Iver Johnson, Universal, or Plainfield.

For what I've seen recently, any GI carbine under $500 is a good price.
 
I bought a Kahr/Auto Ordnance M-1 Carbine last summer. It went for $545, new with a walnut stock, flat bolt and no bayonet lug, flip rear sight, e.g. early WWII carbine configuration

I just got tired of walking gun shows for the last few years looking for a GI carbine that wasn't a mixmaster, I could actually shoot with once in a while, and wasn't selling for $700 and up by some guy that "Knew this Inland - Saginaw (etc.) carbine was a real collectors item and would be worth every penny".

It's all GI spec and parts are interchangeable with older GI carbines. In WWII Auto Ordnance was a subcontractor and made receivers for the carbines. They are working from original WWII U.S. Government blueprints, with CAD/CAM machines doing all the grunt work. I'm pretty happy with it. It's also a great rifle for my wife and the girls to shoot with.

At only 5.5 pounds, very little kick to it, and it's smaller size, it's a logical step up from the Marlin Model 60 for them.

I shot it a couple of weeks ago at a 200 yard Milsurp match with no problems. But that was pretty much the limit for the standard rounds. The flip sight is set for 150, and an extremely optimistic 300 yards.

I'm going to order at least one more from the CMP when they go on sale later this Spring. Then I can shoot the heck out of the Auto Ord and save the GI onme for special occasions and matches.
 
Get the USGI Carbine and you will never regret it. Follow up on what Dfariswheel posted in this thread. GET a bolt dissasembling tool, it is a must just like he says. The CMP sells a reliable one for a fair price and won't gouge you on the shipping. The price on the USGI Carbines will never go down so you will never lose there. On par with the 357 pistol cartridge but remember this, a pistol is a pistol and a rifle is a rifle. An M1 Carbine is a Rifle. You use a pistol to fight your way back to a rifle. I believe that was quoted by clint smith (thunder ranch). I somewhat don't believe he coined the phrase, just used it IMHO.
The only drawback for the .30 cal carbine is the lack of availability of the rounds for it. You have to ask your dealer to stock them or internet them in.
 
But from what I was told, the M1 Carbine was only issued to cooks and truck drivers..

They were never ment to be a field service rifle and was not much better than a .45 Auto pistol.

The people that I spoke to said that it's effective range on a human was less than 50 yards and maybe 100 on a rabbit or a turkey.

It is not accurate. So don't expect it to shoot much like a rifle.

It's probably one of the best little guns out there for someone that wants to collect military hardware that doesn't want to spend $1000 + for a Garand or a M 14 - 16.
 
But from what I was told, the M1 Carbine was only issued to cooks and truck drivers..

They were never ment to be a field service rifle and was not much better than a .45 Auto pistol.

The people that I spoke to said that it's effective range on a human was less than 50 yards and maybe 100 on a rabbit or a turkey.

It is not accurate. So don't expect it to shoot much like a rifle.

What is not accurate, are all of the above statements.:rolleyes:

Don
 
The Rifleman Quoted:
They were never ment to be a field service rifle and was not much better than a .45 Auto pistol.
Take a .45 ACP M1911A1 to the range and shoot a target at 100 yard. You will find out that you will have to raise the point of aim up 6" or more just to hit the target. you have to use the front part of the SLIDE as the sight and not the front sight itself to hit at 110 yards. There is a momentary span of time between firing and impact with a forty five pistol.
Take an M1 .30 cal Carbine and place the sight dead on target and squeeze the trigger. The round gets there very quick, much quicker than a forty five pistol.
I would rather trust a smooth running M1 Carbine than a forty five pistol for that reason.
Don't get me wrong I love 45 pistols and have em but a rifle is still a rifle.
 
A 230 grain FMJ round out of a 5" 1911 is doing about 850 fps at the muzzle
The 110 grain FMJ round out of a M-1 Carbine is doing 2000 to 2100 fps at the muzzle. The carbine round is much more potent than the .45.
 
But from what I was told, the M1 Carbine was only issued to cooks and truck drivers..

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is that a pile of onions?:confused:

or maybe rutabagas.

cover is cover I guess.

I think the carbine is a very interesting weapon. It has limitations, but any gun has limitations. It's a short/medium range carbine, not a full powered rifle. I want to get one when the CMP brings them out, if they aren't too expensive.
 
The M1 Carbine was issued as a primary weapon to troops whose primary function was something other than front line combat.

This would include people who were technically on the front lines, but were not primarily involved in shooting, such as officers. The photos shown have no context. It is possible those men were issued garands, and traded with someone for a carbine. It is also possible they were officers who were issued carbines as their weapon, since their primary function was not fighting but directing others.
 
I've killed a couple of deer and quite a few wild hogs with a .30 carbine. It did a fine job at 50 to 75 yards. A lot of fun to shoot and probably the handiest thing to carry. Ammo can be a little expensive when you start plinking with the 15 and 30 round magazines.
 
Aaryq,

Just so happens I was at a local gunshop this am picking up an SKS. So I'd been handling the SKS's and picking out the one I wanted. It also happens that I've been watching CMP as they prepare to offer M1 carbines. (And by the way, I would bet money they begin offering the carbines about two weeks from TODAY!) So after handling all those SKS's, I noticed an M1 carbine hanging on the wall. OMG! Love at first touch. I couldn't get over how light it was and how compact it was. A thing of beauty. This on top of all I hear about them being the most beloved plinkers around.

Rest assured, while I'm in Alabama next month, I'll be stopping by Aniston to pick up my own M1. Man, that thing is sweet. And yes, as far as comparison, think in terms of a .357. But I'd say it's just a smidge hotter than a typical .357. Plus, nowadays, you can load it with soft points or hollowpoints. Frankly, that's gonna be hard to beat for a home defense gun. Whew, my palms are getting sweaty just thinking about it.
 
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But from what I was told, the M1 Carbine was only issued to cooks and truck drivers..

They were never ment to be a field service rifle and was not much better than a .45 Auto pistol.

The people that I spoke to said that it's effective range on a human was less than 50 yards and maybe 100 on a rabbit or a turkey.

It is not accurate. So don't expect it to shoot much like a rifle.

It's probably one of the best little guns out there for someone that wants to collect military hardware that doesn't want to spend $1000 + for a Garand or a M 14 - 16.

Don't believe everything everyone tells you.

Edited to add: Many M1 Carbines are capable of 3" at 100 yards. Obviously accuracy will vary depending on the quality and condition, but even 6" at 100 yards is plenty accurate for what they were designed to do -- hit man-sized targets within 200 yards.
 
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i picked up a Auto Ordnance carbine a couple months before Christmas. birch stock, no bayonet lug and flip up sights and i love it. developed a slight mag problem about a month after i bought it. thought some dirt or a pebble may have gotten into it. wasnt anything, so i put it back together and its worked fine since. not sure what the problem was. its a handsome, handy little rifle and accurate. mine is currently on HD duty. id like to change the flip up sights to one thats adjustable. im assuming its possible. if not then correct me if im wrong:)
 
krochus said:

Nice pic. Is the guy in the background carrying a pump shotgun?

I love my .357 levergun, but definitely plan to pick up a CMP M1 Carbine when they become available...sometime (soon).
 
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WHile the orignal intention was as a personal defense weapon of sorts...or sidearm replacement...for those in the rear, the m1 carbine was readily found among front line troops. Not just for officers...

Of those that carried them, they found it to be much more handy. I am unsure how exactly one was issued either a carbine or garand (or thompson, etc, for that matter)...as I understand it NCOs and officers had some choice. Whatever the case, M1 carbines were NOT relegated to cooks and drivers and rear echelon soldiers. And they were NOT exclusively issued to officers. From anecodtal evidence, one chose the carbine...it wasn't under general issue.
 
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