M1 carbines in NJ

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I was browsing around gunbroker and decided my next rifle purchase should be a Garand or M1 carbine (Both of my grandfathers carried them so it'd be nice to own a piece of history relevant to them). I like the Garand and all but the Carbine just strikes me as a gun I'd really like to have. Being aware of the fact that my state (New Jersey) is very gun unfriendly, I checked our prohibited firearms list and sure enough "M1 Carbine Type" is not allowed.

Being a bit disparaged but knowing the loopholes I looked around and talked to a few people and they said that the Auto Ordnance M1s are legal in NJ as long as you use the 15rd mags and no paratrooper stocks. I keep checking the statutes site and it doesn't list an exemption like it does for the Colt Match AR and the Springfield Armory M1A. I also found a conversation http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/17709-nj-legal-m1-carbine/page__p__232224__hl__carbine__fromsearch__1#entry232224
that states that a letter was released making Auto-Ordnance Carbines legal in NJ however no more data was provided and it hasn't been updated for over a year.

I'm really interested in knowing if I can legally own any type of M1 carbine in NJ at all or if I can only stick to the M1 Garand. Any legal information would be wonderful. If an FFL from NJ can confirm that the letter is legit that'd be great as well.

Cheers, Hank
 
I recall this as a matter of discussion over at the CMP forum. Check them out.

If I recall correctly, they were NOT selling M-1 Carbines to NJ ... period.

I don't like to rain on anyone's parade (especially when it's about guns) ... but I think you're "stuck" with a Garand (and that ain't at all a bad thing)>
 
Can you buy or import an M1 Garand with a bayonet lug. Some years ago when I was shooting CMP Garand matches tand we were invited to Ft. Dix to shoot aginst a group of reservists. However we were told that we could not bring our M1's into NJ because the lugs were against the law.(police not the army). I don't know if this was fact or rumor, but we didn't go. Are Garands legal in NJ or not?
 
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Yeah, like you're going to go rob banks and do drive-bys with a bayonet mounted on your rifle or carbine.

Oooo, scary!

Some laws are just sooooo stupid.

Terry, 230RN
 
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Are Garands legal in NJ or not?
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Yes they are actually. In NJ semi automatic rifles can only have one "evil" feature; Pistol Grip, collapsing/adjustable stock, grenade launcher, bayonet lug. The M1 Garand only has the bayonet lug so as long as you don't modify it with any of the other features it is 100% legal.

but I think you're "stuck" with a Garand (and that ain't at all a bad thing)
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I didn't want to put it in a negative light if I could only have the Garand. It is indeed a fine weapon and , trust me, I have no quips about putting down the 600$ or so to get one and that schnazzy bandolier that holds the clips. I just liked the Carbine a bit more because it is rather unique compared to the rest of my firearms most of which consist of full power bolt actions and nuetered semi-autos.

Some laws are just sooooo stupid.
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You can say that again. I've already wrote a couple of letters to the Gov'na and each time recieved the exact same reply: The matter of the Second Amendment is NOT on the top of Governor Christie's list of things to take care of.
 
http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf

Go to page 3. It states "M1 Carbine Type".

You need to read the entire thread on the link you posted. IIRC AO M1 carbines w/o the bayonet lug were legal for about a week. There was a opinion released by the NJSP Firearms Unit that said they were legal until it was reviewed by the AG.

Any "M1 Carbine Type" is illegal in NJ.

Can you buy or import an M! Garand with a bayonet lug. Some years ago when I was shooting CMP Garand matches tand we were invited to Ft. Dix to shoot aginst a group of reservists. However we were told that we could not bring our M1's into NJ because the lugs were against the law.(polive not the army). I don't know if this was fact or rumor, but we didn't go. Are Garands legal in NJ or not?

M1 Garands are totally legal in NJ. You were misinformed by someone who has no knowledge of NJ law on the issue.

It is interesting to note that as a LEO you can carry your handgun anywhere but a courthouse in NJ under LEOSA. Not sure about Federal property as I can't remember if the law exempts you as a LEO or you must be a LEO on duty. You must transport a long gun directly to and from one of the recognized activities (range, competition, etc) without a NJ Firearms ID Card. LEOSA does nothing for long guns. Go figure.

http://njsp.org/about/firearms.html

Go here if you have questions about NJ gun laws. Unlike other laws that tell you what you can't do NJ law basically makes everything concerning guns illegal and tell you what you can do.

http://njgunforums.com/forum/

Is a good source but you need to read the entire thread.
 
FYI: The person who told us our m1 Garands were illegal to bring into New Jersey was a Lieutenant in the NJSP. Go figure!
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Not uncommon. NJ laws are so difficult to understand that a judge found a guy non-guilty on an "assault weapon" charge as the law says "knowingly possess" and said something to the effect "this law is so hard to understand even the police don't understand it, how can you expect a regular citizen to understand it".
 
As a life long resident of NJ, stay away from this state. Far far away.

There's a reason why NJ's population went down between the national census of 2000 and 2010....
 
To accurately answer your original question, the AO M1 Carbine is NOT legal in NJ. By law it certainly should be as it is not "substantially identical" to what is listed on the NJAWB.

Appx. a year ago a South Jersey FFL specifically asked the someone in the AG's office if the AO M1 Carbine was legal to posses and sell in NJ. His answer was yes. He ordered 10 or 12 and sold 2 or 3. As soon as the NJSP found out, they called him and told him the AG's office made a mistake and he would need to have the ones he sold returned ASAP.

Not sure is how they knew he sold a few. I can only figured the people who purchased them talked about them on NJ based gun boards or the word just got around.

They were returned and he had to give them their money back.

Now as far as I know no one will transfer you any type of M1 Carbine in NJ.

Great State we live in here in NJ.
 
it is a conspiracy against rights

for the police and government of nj to deprive you of any right,privilage,or custom aforded to you under any law,state or federal,under federal lawyou can own a curio or relic,under a federal c&r licence. sue sue and sue some more,( nj the garden state,if yer growin smokestacks) the above is opinion and not legal advise..consult a liar, oops i mean lawyer,
 
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I am rather certain that they don't sell M1 Carbines in the PRNJ, especially the paratrooper verison. I have a demote somwhere that explains it, but I'll have to dig it up.
 
ALL M1 Carbines are illegal in NJ. Even the CMP will not sell them to NJ residents.
 
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