M1 Garand problem/question
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MEHavey, the case length between a fired shell from a functioning rifle and this rifle is the same. What I perceived as case bulge down near the primer is incorrect. I measured it and it is negligible. The difference between the case mouths is negligible. However the shoulder length is different but by very little.
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OK, then working from that angle. When the rifle fired did the operating rod cycle and just fail to eject the case? I see the case rim ripped off partially. Was that from you trying to eject the case manually or did the extractor rip that off?
Was the chamber clean as in thoroughly clean? Clean so a fired case could not have expanded into pits and dirt preventing normal extraction?
Extractor slips off cartridge rim (extractor plunger spring weak or wrong).
Extractor does not engage (extractor claw broken or damaged)
Most common causes won't apply as looking at the image the extractor claw obviously grabbed enough rim to rip a chunk off. You have another Garand and are familiar with the gas system and used ammo which worked in the other Garand?
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I have just spent the last few hours cleaning the rifle thoroughly. There was a small build up of rust in the chamber but I would be very surprised if that was the problem. I have spent casings from my '06 hunting rifle (bolt action sporterized Mauser) and they are having a hard time ejecting.
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reloadron said:
The rifle tried to cycle, it rammed round 2 against an already spent round. To me it seems like a failure to eject.
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Onmilo said:
It was a test. Who could be the most helpful. One guess on who failed
Handload in overlong case using wrong type of powder for an M1 would be my opinion here.
I'm surprised the op rod didn't crack or the back of the receiver crack when the bolt hit it,,,,
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Oh, Good Grief! <plonk!>
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That's normal for any rifle. Fired rounds have been expanded to the chamber. If your Mauser has a slightly larger chamber than this M1 in some aspect then they will be hard to eject. Use some dummy rounds ( or resized brass if you reload)
If the fired case was still in the chamber, that's a failure to extract.
So, the torn rim was done by the rifle? Check that there is no damage to the extractor (the CMP sells them for a good price if there is) but too much gas port pressure could be the case also. What weight bullet did the load use?
I'm going to second the idea to get some M2 ball and use that. If you are signed up with the CMP just get the Greek surplus. It's good stuff, non corrosive and reloadable. Plus the price is good.
I have a suspicion that the chamber is rough either from rust or built up carbon. Try the cerro safe and get a casting or get a bore scope into it. Most of all, make sure it is using GI ball ammo. I'm a big fan of the bore snakes. Make sure you get one for a 30 caliber and pull it through several times before you shoot it again or use the cerro safe.
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That would be a failure to extract. In a normal sequence the case is extracted and then ejected making way for the next case to be loaded.
There are others but I doubt any apply to your rifle including short stroking, Those mentioned were taken from The US Rifle Cal. 30, M1 by Jerry Kunhausen a good reference book for the M1 Garand, M14 and M1A rifles.
If that rifle cycled and ripped the case head partially off the spent case was stuck in the chamber. Dirty Chamber? Jung stuck in chamber? Something caused the spent round to be stuck in there. This is where it is nice to be able to cycle a clip of dummy rounds.
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Winchester commercial ammo? I'm not going to call that M1 safe.
The bolt tried to extract the spent round and pulled the rim off. I've seen this happen on rifles with very rough chambers. My concern is the Winchester commercial ammo has too much pressure and shoved the op-rod back more violently than John Garand meant for his rifle.
Another place to look is the operating rod spring. Is it broken, shorter than 19 1/2 inches long?
Winchester commercial ammo? I'm not going to call that M1 safe.
The bolt tried to extract the spent round and pulled the rim off. I've seen this happen on rifles with very rough chambers. My concern is the Winchester commercial ammo has too much pressure and shoved the op-rod back more violently than John Garand meant for his rifle.
Another place to look is the operating rod spring. Is it broken, shorter than 19 1/2 inches long?
This whole thread is obviously designed to evoke that kind of response.
Look at the pictures.
The cartridges are reloads in untrimmed cases and both had the primers set too deep.
No mention is made of the specific load by the OP.
There is nothing wrong with that weapon besides a poor choice in ammunition.
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The only way to know about the OAL, is pull the bullet, and mike the case. Maybe its the angle of the pic, but something looks off in the seating depth of the bullet.
With the M1's, Ill take the primers like you see them there. And again, what you see, may also be an illusion. Thats why they make primer depth gauges.
Even with correct ammo, they do require more care than other designs in how they are operated.
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