M1A or FAL?

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For general use or infantry use I'd go with the FAL, hands down. Weight in a battle rifle, and pretty much any rifle besides a bench shooter, is an extremely important variable. I also like the ergonomics of the FAL better and believe it to be a more reliable and durable system but that is just my own assesment. The only edge i see for the M1A is the potential for more accuracy but even in a DMR role the FAL can be more than accurate enough. There are also a number of new accessories, rails and stocks for the M1A so it may be more modular but i couldnt say which is more. Also there are 30 round mags available for the FAL. Just be sure the FAL is a DSA if not an original factory build.
 
just wondering as far as some of you guys in country in Afghanistan, are yall having to rig out your M14s yourself as far as your choice of optics etc?
 
I have had both a real FN-FAL and a few M-1as. Plus I used to have access to numerous military M-14s and M-21s. The M-1A , particularly my old Super Match were more accurate at long range. The FN was more versatile as a general all around weapon for 200 meters and closer. The original sights being not so swell for fine work.
 
I have two FAL's, a Loaded Standard M1A and I've had a G3 type rifle (not the Century stuff) and I like all but the G3 type. I got rid of the G3 so fast you wouldve thought it was on fire.
I love the M1A I'm puttering around with the idea of a SAGE EBR stock for it, but thats a ways off.
I have a full size L1A1 and an FAL carbine, theyre solid and reliable and I wont part with either.
Accuracy wise the M1A edges out the FAL in my experience, but I wouldnt feel under armed with either one.

Just my .02
 
I recently bought the Squat Scout, the FAL it's next.



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to the original poster:

i respect your question. two rifles that have always been compared to each other through their history. i have good news for you....... by saying you've decided to choose between those two weapon systems, you have already stated that you are a smart guy and i can tell you, you will be satisfied with either choice.

i get so tired of hearing the AK vs AR debate because you really can't compare those rifles in the same POU because it is a reliability vs accuracy debate. the FAL and M14, however, present platforms that provide proper and well balanced ratios of both accuracy and reliability.

as a owner of both rifles i will lay it out as simple and honest as i can. both are rugged, beastly battle axes that will do anything you ask of them and more. bottom line: you are choosing between two tough and proven SUV trucks. the M14 is the luxurious cadillac escalade and the FAL is a trail rated jeep cherokee w/ jacked up 10 ply tires. both of these battle rifle beauties are no strangers to terms like: accuracy, reliability, firepower, toughness, efficiency and history. the M14 and FAL are both "jack-of-all-trades" rifles IMO. they both have served as assault rifles, light machine guns, standard service rifles, and sniper systems. they do it all!

both rifles can be "scoped", however if you are looking for a precision weapon then the M14 gets the nod. you can do more to a M14 to fine tune it to match grade specs and it's design is more inherently accurate. if you want to shoot iron sights then the M14 gets the nod again. the M14 arguably has the best iron sights of any rifle ever made!(yes, i just said that.) so in a nutshell, all around accuracy belongs to the M14.

but......the pros of accuracy aren't everything, just like the cummfy power steering and climate controlled seats of a cadillac aren't everything. the FAL has enough accuracy to hold it's own with the M14 and enough simplicity and ruggedness to hold it's own with the AK 47. the FAL is a "mud-gun" that is VERY robust and can be cleaned in the field extremely easily. the parts are crude and simple and you can break it down and put it back together blind folded in your sleep (with out tools i might add!!!!). actually.......if you are really in a SHTF situation, you never have to clean the MoFo ever because it has a regulated gas system. you can literally put thousands and thousands of rounds through the thing and as carbon builds up, you just adjust the gas system and the dang sucker keeps running!!!

the meat and potatoes of a FAL are all metal parts so it locks up the same every time and works the same every time. i always thought the thing looked a tad butt-ugly, but in a good way! kind of like a worn pare of blue jeans. it is not a work of art......it's a killing machine!

this brings me to the M14..........and besides a "killing machine" (which it is!), it IS a profound work of art (both aesthetically and function-wise). an absolute gorgeous rifle! if you are a old school traditional man like myself, then you will appreciate the sheer joy of the look and feel on the wood stock and BALANCE of the design. im telling you.....the thing is an absolute dream to shoot. it is more ergonomically american friendly being that the charging handle is on the right side and it has that CLASSIC american look like the M1 garand. personally i'm not a big fan of pistol grips when im trying to gain that eagle-eye point of aim with a high powered battle rifle. everything about the M14 design is geared toward luxurious dead-eye shooting. nobody ever mentions this minute detail but i love the flip-up buttplate design when shooting prone. every rifle should have this.......sorry, but it's true. wonderful feature!

you are going to pay more for a M1A/M14 but rightfully so. if you hold the two rifles side by side you will quickly notice that the M14 is a much more complex and sophisticated rifle. the engineering of the M14 is one for the ages. it will take the harshest punishments but you will not want to inflict them, if you get me. it's like having a beautiful sweet and innocent girlfriend that will let you do whatever you want yet you feel reluctant to abuse the power.

the FAL on the other hand is the better value gun at the moment. M14s have been more popular in the past so original GI parts have dried up and prices have gone way up (only a concern if you want a pre-ban M1A/M14). but now, the popularity of the FAL is on the rise and original parts are going up as we speak, however they are still cheaper to get than original M14 parts. DSA offers a STG58 model that basically has all original parts except the upper receiver, barrel and furniture ect for a MSRP of $1,150 (a price i expect to increase soon)

your question is really a flip of the coin, but i think the deciding factor will be - what you are really looking for. i will not say which is better because that is subjective and opinionated. i will stand by, however, that you get what you pay for. if you drop the extra bills for a M1A/M14 then you will reap the benefits and not be sorry.

if you were to ask me personally......if i could only have one gun for the rest of my life it would be a M14. if you were to ask me personally "what gun would i pick between a FAL and M14?"......i would say both. i would get the FAL now while prices are still reasonable and then opt for a M1A/M14 when i spot a used one one for $1,100-$1,200.

hope this helps. sorry it was long. it's just that i feel your question.

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sorry,
im a tad slow. i just read the whole thread. i understand that the OP wants to go with a shorty M1A with a red dot. may i suggest the Ultimak rail. if you use it with an Aimpoint you can cowittness the irons. i would not get a Eotech as they ride a bit high on M1As and they are more of a AR15 optic IMO. here are some pics.....and i will tell you that the Ultimak is a solid rail. classic, sleek, light...and does the job.

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I own examples of each, and both are excellent rifles. They are also both obsolete in many ways, particularly modularity, ergonomics on the M1A, and scope mounting options on both.

That said, I personally like the FAL better for all-around purposes, but would quickly choose the M1A for using iron sights to punch paper targets on a known distance range in bright daylight (i.e., CMP service rifle competition).

Well said.
 
skipbo32, I agree the right option for the M1A is the ultimak. It leaves the clip guide intact and mount the optic low. In my experience, the aimpoint will not cowitness with the irons, but it's very close.

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guntech.....thanks for the info. im speaking from experience with my full size 22" barreled standard. im guessing the cowittness feature doesnt work on a 18" barrel. thanks for clearing that up. nice rifle by the way! looks like she is ready to kill some hogs!:D
 
The difference to me was made by shouldering both.
The M1A Scout Squad just "Fit".
As far as optics go I want a Scope mount and the red dot option. I would really like the added versatility + I have the scope + rings that mounts a mini red dot and the EO tech on hand.
This is one rifle I kind of bought backwards, I essentially got the optics first.
I will purchase the scope mount and 5 more magazines when I get it home.
 
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