Making anti's look dumb with an evil gun

[wacki]

This is my goal. To take a picture of a mean looking gun that any anti-objects to. And then show them a benign looking gun. Once they approve of that gun I will say "I hope you realize that's the same weapon."

Right now this is the best I can do:

Evil gun:

OK hunting gun:

The only problem is the clip size is different and they may "stick" that to me. Can anyone provide a better example?

 

[Remmi]

I think I'll dig up comparison shots between the Basline S&W Model 500 and the big, hairy testaosterone-pumped Big-Game hunting models.

That'd make any uninformed anti Shat a brick.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Always a good idea in theory, it never actually works. Anti's don't care about those pesky details.

 

[Remmi]

Here we go.

Amusing. Probably about as effective as cold-cocking them with it though.

 

[Eightball]

What about a picture of a Super VEPR in stock configuration, and then one of it in folded-stocked glory?

THAT would make them . "NOOO!!! THAT BENIGN LOOKING GUN IS NOW EVIL, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THEY USE IN MOVIES!!!"

 

[Outlaws]

That foldign stock means you can hide it under your coat easier. That pistol grip means that you can shoot it one handed in fully automatic mode.

 

[wacki]

What about a picture of a Super VEPR in stock configuration, and then one of it in folded-stocked glory?

Not a bad idea, lets take it further:

.308 VEPR II

VEPR ins 7.62x39

Both are VEPR's. Both are 7.62. The AK style has smaller bullets too!

 

[velojym]

Now, it ain't the hardware that's evil, and they know it (though it'd be hard to pass any laws if they admit it). It's the evil bastard holding the weapon...
behold"

Now, there's a gun that was perfectly harmless when it was sittin' on the table,
but as soon as Chuckie picked it up... Evil Gun.

 

[wacki]

velojym, can you give me some more background of that poster? Why is that hypocrisy?

 

[mp510]

velojym, can you give me some more background of that poster? Why is that hypocrisy?

Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is a leading proponent of further and excessive gun control legislation in the US Senate, alongside and in some instances moreso than John Kerry (D-MA), Dianne Feinstien (D-CA), and Ted Kennedy (D-MA). Remember their group photo?

Anyhow, in that image, he is firing a TEC-9 9x19mm semi-automatic handgun, most likely to research his to be legeslative stance that such evil weapons serve no legitimate purpose. He has used that weapon in many of his demonstrations, and in that image, where he is test firing it, it's obvious that her is really enjoying it (notice the big grin on hisd face).

 

[Remmi]

He should be removed from the Senate sheerly for being caught still-breathing with such a crappy weapon as the TEC-9.

I mean... come on, the damn thing's ugly to boot.

 

[velojym]

The element that would make that photo a masterpiece would be his use of
a gangsta-sideways grip. Ah, well. We make do with what we have.

 

[Remmi]

I'm content with the fact that if it were any bigger then 9x19 that grip he has on ti would probably barrel flip it right into his teeth.

 

[bthest86]

Assault weapon vs hunting rifle.

 

[SDC]

You could show them something like the Valmet Hunter; the Hunter is just a Valmet M62S or M72S in non-pistol-grip form (and it can be had in more powerful calibres than the "evil, baby-killing version", to boot.)

Hunter:

M62S:

 

[swingset]

I always ask them to pick which rifle is "automatic", is more powerful, has a greater range, and is more lethal...

This:

Or this:

 

[razorburn]

That is a gorgeous BAR. This thread is rekindling my interest in walnut/blue hunting rifles.

 

[El Tejon]

Good idea. GOA did this back in '89 to different guns.

At the sporting goods store I worked at in '89 we did this to a 10/22.

 

[Manedwolf]

The problem with the first image is that one of the proposed AWB redux lists included the M1 Carbine in any form as an "assault weapon".

If you really want to do a side-by-side, how about a 10/22 in its original wood-stocked plinker configuration, and then one in the simulated MG42 or AK stock with a 100rd spiral mag?

 

[Tim James]

Something similar was done to an AK-style gun in this video: http://www.2ampd.net/Articles/Pyle/truth.htm

I haven't watched the whole thing, and he did mention a few dumb things like "automatic guns are illegal."

 

[Critter183]

The first thing to remember is that to a real anti, no gun is acceptable. Not even black powder.

Converting the purely ignorant, however, is doable.

The best way to do that is through love and kindness and education, rather than humiliation. Sweet talking them until you can convince the person to go to the range and shoot something innocuous usually works wonders. Once they fire off a couple of .22LRs at balloons or something, they get hooked.

They get to witness the safety discipline of serious shooters, something they have been told lies about repeatedly by antis. According to antis, a shooting range would have lead flying in every direction and stumbling beer toting drunks shooting at anything that moved. Instead they would get to see how seriously shooters take firearm safety.

Once they get hooked, you'll be surprised how often they'll ask, "When are we going to go shooting again?" lol

Humiliating the real anti is cool though.

 

[Guntalk]

Critter has it right.

It's important to not get distracted from the goal.

The goal is to WIN.

Sometimes, folks on our side think the goal is to get anti-gunners to ADMIT that we are right.

They will not. And, even if they did, that does nothing for us.

The only way to win -- let me repeat that -- the ONLY way to win is to move public perception. This is done in 100 or 1000 ways. Almost always, these are gentle, subtle, persistant, and consistant.

Holding shooting matches to raise money for breast cancer research, working with a local woman's group, and getting good local PR is an example of how to move the needle of public perception just a smidge.

Taking someone who does not shoot to the range, introducing them to the sport in a friendly way, is effective.

Never mentioning "Hitler," "Communism," or "Nazis" is a good start. As soon as you start the "that's what Hitler did" talk, you lose, and you convince someone else that we are crazies.

Putting together a team of "I'm the NRA" T-shirt wearing workers on a Habitat for the Humanities project?

Inviting politicians to the range (make sure the media is there).

One good guide that every "activist" should have is "The Citizen's Guide to Fighting Government."

http://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Guide-Fighting-Government/dp/0915463636

In most cases, it is best to ignore antis. Focus on the people you want to reach -- the uncommitted public.

Shove an evil-looking rifle in their face, and they will call the Brady Campaign to sign up. Take 'em to the range and let them shoot a Ruger 10/22, and they'll love it. THEN you can gently explain that this is a semi-auto, etc.

 

[Critter183]

Something similar was done to an AK-style gun in this video:

I watched that video just now, and it reminded of another reason why we have lost the war to protect our gun rights.

The simple truth is that when the country was founded, we made sure our representatives did not have the power to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. They don't have any authority to ban anything. Any law restricting the availability of certain types of firearms is illegal. That is the argument we should have been making all along. YOU CANNOT BAN OR REGULATE ANY FIREARM, PERIOD! You have NO AUTHORITY!

Once we started playing the game with the antis, letting them label certain uses as legitimate and others not, and letting them decide what uses were "legitimate" uses, we lost the war. We said OK, you do have the power to restrict the types of firearms we can own. We gave implied consent to regulate our right.

The 2nd amendment was to ensure that the citizens could field an effective fighting force against foreign invasion and against domestic tyranny.

This guy in the video is making the case that semis have legitimate uses while full autos do not. WRONG!

In the context of the 2nd amendment, the MOST legitimate firearm in the group was the full auto AK47.

 

[Critter183]

Take 'em to the range and let them shoot a Ruger 10/22, and they'll love it. THEN you can gently explain that this is a semi-auto, etc.

Exactly! lol

By the third trip to the range, they will want to try out that cool looking black rifle...

 

[bakert]

You're not going to convince many antis that guns are not bad. Actually to make an Anti turn fish belly white and squirm and fidget, it doen't take an expensive gun. A cheapie like this will do the job.