Making dummy rounds

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I have the opportunity for some special training thru work. Some of the drills will require snap caps during the training. I was thinking. Couldnt I make some dummy rounds just by not priming or charging a piece of brass? Just setting the bullet in there? I have some rounds I found on the range that wouldnt feel comfortable using the components again, however using them in a dummy round would be no problem. Does anyone have any tips for making dummy rounds for clearing drills? I know im cheap, i should probably just buy some
 
Ive herd of guys filling the primer hole with hot glue and then sanding it smooth. Ive never tried it but it should work.
 
I thought about just reseating a spent primer back in after resizing it. ive never tried that so i dont know if it would work. It would be in a striker fire weapon. Figured i could some up with a way to mark the rounds so I knew incase i ever just had one of my loads not go boom i wouldnt get them mixed up.
 
I have several dozen I have made up for just that purpose. I mix them into a bulk ammo container, and load them randomly. Very realistic malfunction drill. you never know when they are coming. I prefer them to Snap Caps as I notice the weight difference. I have them in the different bullets that I shoot regularly, so as to not have a visual cue that it is a dummy. I leave the spent primer in place, but mark all my brass with a Sharpie for id. A purple dot on the primer requires more than a quick glance to notice the dimpled primer. ;)

If it is an organized training event, they may be frowned upon, as they will not be readily apparent as dummies.
 
thanks for the ideas guys. This is just for my practice purposes only. During the actual training, I have to use their equipment etc. Its pretty intense and I only get one attempt at being certified. I thought about just using some really scratched up nickel brass I got and sense I dont really load nickel often anymore that would be an easy to tell way that they different. Just load a bunch of mags and mix em up so i dont know. For that weapon i have 13 mags so I could easily fool myself.
 
The longest lasting dummy rounds I've ever made were basically like this:

1) Use a heavy FMJ bullet - long shank
2) Partially fill the case with corn cob media, or similar. The goal is to support the bullet to avoid setback as the round is chambered a bazillion times.
3) Make sure the media is large enough to not fit out the primer hole.
4) No primer or powder (duh).

I've had some made like this that have survived thousands of trips into the chamber.
 
I have made dummy rounds by filling the primer hole with Silastic caulk (the pure silicone variety) and drilling holes in the case.
 
I have made dummy rounds by filling the primer hole with Silastic caulk (the pure silicone variety) and drilling holes in the case.
Same process. Size and seat a bullet as normal. No powder. Fill the primer pocket with silicone.
 
I personally refuse to keep dummy rounds in the same floor of my house with one of my SD guns.
They stay in the basement on the workbench in a special function test dummy box, inside a tool box!

Snap-Caps?
O.K., maybe, or not.

Years ago, I went burglar hunting in the middle of the night with a 1911 loaded with function test dummy rounds!

Only after the cops showed up and I cleared the gun did I realize I had loaded it in the dark with a magazine full of function test dummy's!!!!

Conversely, there have been a number of law enforcement training accidents & deaths over the years were live ammo was mistaken for home-brew dummy rounds loaded in real cases with real bullets that look and feel just like live ammo.

rc
 
I made several dummies with a regular case and bullet but I glued a erasier from a ink pen (harder and tougher than the pencil type) in the primmer pocket, it being red made it stand out and cushioned the firing pin a bit.
 
I tend to like the snap caps with a brass plug in the primer pocket and a spring to tension them. At least we are dealing with something that doesn't deform much and there is a MV=MV exchange of sorts. I think the spring soaks up some energy.

I bought some snap caps recently that had something like polyurethane in the primer pockets. The material was cupped as in below the case head and didn't seem very hard. I doubt it has any serious effect on how the firing pin decelerates.

The annoying thing about the ones with the brass plugs is if you just open the slide a bit to check or have a hole to look down as in the LCI on my M&P semi, you see the brass rim body that is married to the red plastic body you don't see.

That was the only thing I liked better about the caps with the polyurethane in the pocket, at least that whole thing was anodized red so a quick peek was re-assuring.

Clutch
 
I just want to ad one to a mag of live rounds for clearing drills. I'll have to set up stove pipes and double feeds though. Just something to make it more lifelike in drilling incase those things ever happened.
 
rc,

Like you said, mistaking dummy rounds for real ammo is a problem, in EITHER direction.

I keep my dummy rounds in a special location, but it wouldn't be THAT hard to have a live round get slipped in on accident. As I load them into a mag before practicing with them, I look at every single primer to make sure it's absent.

I haven't shot a hole in my basement wall yet, and I want to keep it that way!

Koski
 
Just plug the flash hole with a piece of foil and then melt some plastic into the primer pocket. Sand off the excess and you've made a functional snap cap.
 
RTV sealant ( that blue gasket sealer at the autoparts store) in the primer hole, case filled w/ sand ( if they don't have holes ) and seat the bullet.

I've made these for rifle, handgun, and just today for shotgun and they all function fine.

RTV sealant bounces back time after time.
 
I just reload into an empty case with a spent primer then I use the wife's red nail polish to paint the bottom of the round around the primer just so there is no mixup. Works well.
 
False economy 101

I have worked with Silicone Sealants since 1972 where we used it to seal mausoleum joints to keep out water and potential frost damage from freezing and subsequent expansion of said water in joints.

Silicone sealant does not have the compressive strength that manufactured snap cap primers have. I had two different Snap Caps (Tipton and another brand) and when I poked at the cured silicone I had placed in an empty case primer pocket I found that it is much easier probing into the silicone with a firing pin out of my Sig .45 Auto pistol and one from my AR-15, than it is probing the manufactured Snap Cap Primer. I also tried a pencil eraser that someone mentioned on another board. There is no way silicone sealant or pencil & pen erasers have the firmness of a quality Snap Cap 'Primer'. The Tipton Snap Caps I have actually have a brass primer with a visible spring inside to compress upon activation of the movable cylindrical primer during the strike of said primer from the firing pin in normal and intended motion!

I am not telling people what to do, as other's guns are not my guns that are being dry-fired. I prefer to use the manufactured variety! When you get five for less than $15. -- you cannot go wrong! Why chance wearing out a perfectly good gun part using sub-grade components to save $14.00 (maybe $20.00 at the very most) -- as we're talking guns that are worth up to a hundred times that amount (or even more, in some instances)?

The worst part of it is, if your firing pin DOES happen to break or otherwise fail, is it really worth trying to save a few dollars on a gun you rely on to hunt big game (a gun that puts meat in the freezer and even a gun that is a defensive weapon)? I think not, however anyone can do anything they want for ways of saving money. It is my opinion that making your own Snap Caps in the short and in the long term equates to false economy -- you pay either in the beginning for something that is designed for the exact purpose, or you live with the consequences of using something home-made at the cost of perhaps missing the shot on that 220 pound buck, or completely missing being able to shoot the EXTREMELY-NECESSARY shots at the Home-Invaders while trying to protect your loved ones. As for myself, I prefer to pay up front, when the gun is new and run nothing but real ammo or real, quality Snap Caps!

This could easily be equated to seat belts in your family car.

When your seat belts in your car are worn to the point of absolutely being not strong enough to hold someone back in a bad collision -- you can go to a junk yard dealer and buy used belts that look better than yours, however all seat belts must be replaced with NEW SEAT BELTS if they were EVER used in any collision AND they must be replaced with new ones if they show ANY signs of wear!

So, you "save some money" by buying against what every current owner's manual tells you regarding worn, frayed and used seat belts when time to replace them! Remember, your loved-ones are who will be injured or killed when the cheapo seatbelts FAIL during a wreck!

Some people you cannot convince, they must learn the hard way!
To each his own.
Simply put, I find it is Wisdom to learn from the experiences of others.
 
To be clear, the dummy rounds I make are not used as snap caps. I use dummy rounds for the following:

1. Enbloc clip of dummy rounds used for training / practice loading and unloading M1 Garand.

2. Magazine full of dummy rounds manually cycled through auto pistols to look for feeding / ejection issues.

3. Dummy rounds kept on reloading bench to allow faster setup of seating and crimping dies.

4. They will be struck by the firing pin on occasion in the first two uses.
 
"...make some dummy rounds just by..." Yep. Just load without powder or primer. The primer pocket doesn't require a filler.
"...the drills will require snap caps..." You'd best find out if DP cartridges are ok. If you're concerned about mixing DP's with live, use a different bullet.
 
False economy? You can have dummy rounds for almost free, and probalby never damage anything.

Of you can have branded snap caps for $3 each, and probably never damage anything.

I think I see the falsehood.

Koski
 
I agree, dummy rounds have their place if they are at the reloading bench and used only to quickly re-setup the reloading dies for the given caliber/bullet and to verify that the round will chamber. IMO, that is the only thing they should be used for, and as others have mentioned, drilling a large hole through the sides of the brass is a great idea.
 
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