Making Rifled Slugs out of Factory Birdshot

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Not inside a plastic shot cup from a birdshot load I hope!

Unless they are specifically made undersize to make up for the shot cup thickness.

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Hey rcmodel, I watched several other videos and different methods. I think for the Federal shells, the Lee slugs slipped in fine, but with Remington, they didn't. With Remington, the guy replaced the factory wad with Winchester pink wads and they slid in fine. Only thing is, the Federal target loads are low brass, so you're stuck with a smaller charge. Get some high charge upland or waterfowl with high brass, and try it with slugs and it may be closer to factory slugs?
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering......Why? With the cost of the 15 pack Slugger's at wallyworld, why go to the trouble and risk? Am I missing something?
 
I guess it is just good knowledge to know.

Shotguns are pretty versatile. Nobody in the business has really brought them into the 21st century, at least as far as ammo goes. The army tested some that considered more to be smoothbore assault weapons vs. shotguns. Could penetrate armor at distance, was accurate at distance, and could still fire standard ammo. They also had a round, a slug I guess, that was really a short, fat, sharpened arrow. I can't recall the name of the round, but it was on Wikipedia I think.

They killed the idea though because the rounds were too expensive to make. But nowadays, I think a super shotgun round like that would be easier to make and would sell like crazy.

But when you can buy today's super slugs, anything else like this idea is just "survival knowledge". Good to know if you get stranded and have to live off the land for a bit I suppose.
 
Cut shell are a good way to destroy the end of your barrel, measure the diameter of a slug outside of the hull, then measure a shotshell diameter it as loaded...the end of the barrel isn't made to take something that fat. In the video he only uses one barrel...want to bet it is a wide open choke?
 
Lee makes a slug mold sized to fit in a standard wad. I would not bother to cut a shell down to insert one but if you are reloading from scratch it is not a bad thing since there is no need to roll crimp. According to their ad you can just substitute the slug for shot using the proper wad of course. I've been considering this option as something to play with but dont shoot enough slugs to reap a financial reward so it would just be something else to tinker with.
T
 
British WWII Home Guard used cut shell for double barrel shotguns carried for coast watch duty. May have been a good thing the Germans decided not in invade, good for both sides if cut shells are as hard on the gun as some say. Cut shells also have a long history of use by big game poachers.
 
Cut shells (cut a slit 3/4 the way around) would work better. I have no clue why that guy is going through all that trouble for worse results. That guy is a moron.
 
So, what happens when this finely crafted bit of redneck engineering meets the forcing cone?
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How much increased pressure comes from modifying a shell in a way the manufacturer never intended and for which there are no standards?
 
I've had a couple shells fail in the base of the rimmed portion. When they ejected only the metal outer portion came out of the port. I could actually see the hull in the air and wondered WTH was that thing. I could detect no difference in recoil and saw no damage to my old Mossberg 600 but i'll bet the chamber pressure was off the chart. These were old Remington black low brass hulls that were reloaded many times. After that I tossed the rest as they were used up. So yes in a real survival situation you could do it but can you think of a worse time to risk blowing up you and or your survival gun ?
T
 
Would those work in a Remington 1100 with a deer barrel or would it be the same case with birdshot since they use the same amount of powder?
 
4thPointofContact said:
So, what happens when this finely crafted bit of redneck engineering meets the forcing cone?
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At that point, barrel pressure has dropped well below peak pressure, and the projectile is moving in the neighborhood of 1200fps. An ounce of shot at 1200 fps is going to blow right through the crimp if the shellcase encounters excessive resistance.

I think if you're going to have a problem with this, it's well before the forcing cone. surely that shell casing doesn't slide the full length of the bore as smoothly as a wad full of shot by itself.

If a guy was set on doing something like this, I think this guys method would be the way to do it: http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=257914 (scroll halfway down the page, post by "turbo1889")

The short version is he cuts down a 16ga shell, and puts it inside the 12 ga shell. At that point, you're basically just using the crimp end of a 16ga shellcase as a cup over your wad of 12ga shot, to keep the shot from separating until impact.

I wonder if it's possible to shoot cut shell from a rifled barrel
 
Only thing is, the Federal target loads are low brass, so you're stuck with a smaller charge.
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HUH? What does low brass have to do with plastic hulls OR the size of the powder charge

And, as RC pointed out, placing a slug inside a wad cup that was not designed for it just increased your pressure beyond safe levels

What did you save and what did you gain?

You saved nothing and gained a potentially dangerous loading

At that point, barrel pressure has dropped well below peak pressure
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Incorrect - at the forcing cone you are at peak pressure
 
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