Man arrested while Open Carrying at Political Rally

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Just saw this posted on another forum, and thought you guys might like to see this. (Mods - forgive me and close this if it is a double post).

http://www.timesonline.com/articles/...2890214530.txt

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...84/detail.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26464328/

By Bill Vidonic, Times Staff

Published: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
INDUSTRY — An Industry man insisted Saturday there’s nothing in the law that prevented him from wearing a loaded handgun to Friday’s presidential election rally in Beaver.

“I have it for protection, to protect my wife and my children,” said John A. Noble, 50. “I never gave it a thought. I wasn’t doing anything illegal,”

Noble, a horse and cattle fence builder, said he was simply standing with others at the rally, a Bible in one hand, and an apple in the other.

But it was the Glock 19 handgun holstered at his side that drew the attention of local and federal law enforcement. State police said just wearing the gun disrupted the event.

Noble said he had a handful of fliers that he wanted to pass out, spelling out gun rights.

Those fliers list Noble’s basic argument, citing a Pennsylvania statute that says a person may “openly carry a handgun in plain sight with no license.” Exceptions include in vehicles, in Philadelphia, and convicted felons.

To carry a concealed handgun, a person must have a state license to carry firearms.

Noble said he didn’t have a ticket to the rally, and he was standing with his wife, Janet, in McIntosh Park. While that area was fenced in, spectators did not have to pass through metal detectors to get into that area, as they did in Irvine Park.

In a news release, state police Trooper Shawn L. Schexnaildre wrote that Noble “breached the secured perimeter of a presidential candidate political rally with a handgun fully loaded, operational, holstered and exposed.”

Bystanders alerted police, and deputy sheriffs, Beaver police, state police and Secret Service agents took him into custody.

“(Noble’s) actions created a clear public alarm and caused a significant breakdown in the security measures at the rally” with officers abandoning their posts “to ensure his quick and safe apprehension and disarming.”

Friday, deputies and state police said that Noble never tried to draw his weapon and did not threaten anyone with it. Noble’s arrest took place more than an hour before Obama and Biden arrived in Beaver.

Noble never did hear Obama, as he was in state police custody until his release, and his firearm, which Noble said he has a permit for, was confiscated.

When questioned as to the wisdom of wearing a firearm to a rally with metal detectors, Secret Service agents, and dozens of local law enforcement, Noble replied, “His (Obama’s) rights do not trump mine.” He added he’s worn the gun in public for several years without incident.

Noble says he has an attorney, but said he’ll wait and see what charges he might face before deciding what course of action he’d take.

In the news release, Schexnaildre described the nature of the incident as disorderly conduct, and wrote that Noble faces misdemeanor grade charges that will be filed by state police; no federal charges have been filed.

Noble said his only previous criminal offense was “a speeding ticket while driving a church bus.”

“If it was that serious of an offense (Friday), I would be in jail,” Noble said.

To me it sounds like he was pushing the envelope. Sure it was 'legal' but was it smart? I guess he did not mind a Secret Service file opened on him.

To me this is very different than when Fred Thompson was at the Lakeland Florida gun show last year.

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Noble said he didn’t have a ticket to the rally, and he was standing with his wife, Janet, in McIntosh Park. While that area was fenced in, spectators did not have to pass through metal detectors to get into that area, as they did in Irvine Park.

In a news release, state police Trooper Shawn L. Schexnaildre wrote that Noble “breached the secured perimeter of a presidential candidate political rally with a handgun fully loaded, operational, holstered and exposed.”

This guy got by security (a fence) without even trying. I wonder what somebody's who's actually trying could pull off...

As usual, the authorities were playing Security Theater. Don't you just love that term? I recently learned about it. It's perfect.
 
When questioned as to the wisdom of wearing a firearm to a rally with metal detectors, Secret Service agents, and dozens of local law enforcement, Noble replied, “His (Obama’s) rights do not trump mine.”

I would love to have been that fly on the wall when this was finished echoing off the walls.
 
State police said just wearing the gun disrupted the event.

I guess exercising your rights is now considered a disruption.

While that area was fenced in, spectators did not have to pass through metal detectors to get into that area, as they did in Irvine Park.

I love their logic. This is not a secured area - obviously.

and his firearm, which Noble said he has a permit for, was confiscated.

I wonder how long it will take to get it back.

In the news release, Schexnaildre described the nature of the incident as disorderly conduct, and wrote that Noble faces misdemeanor grade charges that will be filed by state police; no federal charges have been filed.

I think a lawyer might just have a good time with this one.

Just my dos pesos.
 
I want to see the outcome of this. Most likely the charges will be dropped as even the police said he made no threats or disruptive behavior other than just being there, which in itself can not be a crime.
Hello violation of 2nd Amendment Civil Rights case?
 
Pushing the envelope? Sure, but one of the big reasons we've seen our rights (not just gun rights) withered down is because more people don't push the envelope. I'm just as guilty of that as anyone.

If anyone in the area hears of a legal defense fund being setup for this guy, please post a link here.
 
I always appreciate folks that are willing to take one for the team and "educate" the sheeple.

I do think it is sad that a man can get arrested for exercising his constitutional rights. We are after all allowed to "bear" arms. I guess they just want us to "keep it in the closet".
 
I find it funny that this is titled "ObamaNation." Why do we think it would have been different at a Mccain event? If we've got some evidence that says Mccain is cool with people carrying at his events, I'm actually interested.
 
Anybody care to bet how long it will take him to get on the airplane next time he has to fly somewhere? Any doubts that he is now a "suspected terrorist?"
 
I'm with MJRW. I don't think it would have gone down differently at a McCain event. I think that invective against Obama has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is the heavy hand of the SS and police agencies at these kinds of functions, regardless of the politico involved.
 
The title of this thread suggests that Senator Obama had something to do with this arrest. It is not true. The Pennsylvania State Police and the Secret Service had this man arrested, not because he was doing anything wrong, but because he was carrying a gun openly in the vicinity of a Presidental Protection Event.

If Senator McCain had been there, and this open carry aficionado had been arrested, would the thread title have mentioned the McCainNation?

Moderators, this shouldn't be an opportunity for political bashing.
 
The worst part is that one man, with a bible, an apple, some pamphlets and a HOLSTERED handgun caused a "significant breakdown in the security measures at the rally." Shouldn't the security of the potential POTUS be able to deal with a peaceful, cooperative man?
 
In a news release, state police Trooper Shawn L. Schexnaildre wrote that Noble “breached the secured perimeter of a presidential candidate political rally with a handgun fully loaded, operational, holstered and exposed.”

Bystanders alerted police, and deputy sheriffs, Beaver police, state police and Secret Service agents took him into custody.

“(Noble’s) actions created a clear public alarm and caused a significant breakdown in the security measures at the rally” with officers abandoning their posts “to ensure his quick and safe apprehension and disarming.”
Not a very secured perimeter when it can be breached just be walking normally and not even trying to conceal the gun. It sounds like it was the officers who caused a breakdown in the security measures by abandoning their posts in order to arrest a law-abiding citizen.

I'd really love to see this guy push back against this nonsense. Our rights don't disappear because there are x number of people in a park or because they're there to see some politician.
 
next time bring a friend, possible a few with video cameras to record it then upload the video to youtube. best defense if the cops start fibbing about what happened.
 
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