Man arrested while Open Carrying at Political Rally

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The law is what ever law enforcement wants it to be at any particular moment in time to suit their agenda.

Arrest and detention for 24 hours is a tool they use often to difuse a situation they don't cotton to.

Many times charges are never filed.

And as usual the overwhelming majority of citizens that fall victim to this type of harrasment don't have the money to hire an attorney to sue over violation of rights.

And certainly the ACLU won't touch a firearms related case.

Its too bad the NRA doesn't have a legal fund that you could opt to pay into to cover such abuses as they become more common everyday with open carry.
 
one more man does his part to convince folks how mainstream gunowners are.

"“I have it for protection, to protect my wife and my children,” said John A. Noble, 50. “I never gave it a thought. I wasn’t doing anything illegal,”"
its always a shock to me how with such strong support on the net so few true revolutionaries appear in real life to stand up and demonstrate. sometimes its a good thing. there are probably folks out there that think going strapped to a political event like that is less than wise
in light of his pamphlets i call in question his claim of "never gave it a thought" disingenous at best.
 
Good for him! Some one has got to refuse to ride in the back of the bus for attitudes to change.

If Texas adopts open carry, once I'm retired and have time to spend the night in jail, perhaps I'll join him.

--wally.
 
For those of you who want to do something more than post and postulate, there is a legal fund being set up to help Mr. Noble. Here is the link:

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/31704-fundraiser-mountain-jack.html

A lot of people say they wish they could help, they wish they could participate in the fight for our gun rights. Now is the chance to help. For the cost of one box of ammo, you can contribute to the fight here in PA.
 
It would be nice for someone to make it their responsibility to keep us informed about this case.

We have a problem when the secret service is in town here in Jackson to escort Cheny around. They don't like anyone with guns. I've been waiting for something to happen with me. I was talking with a business owner here today that said it would be bad in the town square of Jackson Hole to walk around openly carrying say on the fourth or something. My response was, I did. I didn't end up in jail, but I ended up in the hospital which was interesting as the emts came.
 
Most of the time perhaps. This time, not so much.
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Give it time; the wheels of justice are turning, and the PA State Police isn't going to like the outcome. There is established PA Supreme Court case law that explicitly states carrying a firearm doesn't even constitute reasonable articulable suspicion of committing a crime, let alone disorderly conduct or some other actual crime. So not only is he being wrongly charged, but his arrest was unlawful in the first place.
 
I think the phamlets would have been best left at home. Just wear the gun. Of course I understand that some have felt that a polite word and a gun works better than just a polite word.
 
I'd like to point out the date on the story, Published: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:31 PM EDT. Hopefully the 2a community can stay on top of things like this and react quickly. Outrage trickling in weeks later isn't worth much.
 
I always appreciate folks that are willing to take one for the team and "educate" the sheeple.
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Same here. Happened in Michigan also, recently. Maybe many more "testers" of the OC laws or lack thereof will surface now, due to Heller.

Or it could backfire, and we'll be faced with a steaming load of new laws.:rolleyes:
 
Soybomb,actually this story was first reported by jahwarrior on August 30 ,then by Redstick on Aug.31.,then by Desertdog on Sept 1.They were immediately on top of the story.
See these threads :

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=389119&highlight=JOHN+NOBL

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=389373&highlight=JOHN+NOBLE

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=389812&highlight=JOHN+NOBLE

This thread by Flame Red is now the fourth about Mr Noble's situation.

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I'd like to point out the date on the story, Published: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:31 PM EDT. Hopefully the 2a community can stay on top of things like this and react quickly. Outrage trickling in weeks later isn't worth much.
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Stevie-Ray said:
Or it could backfire, and we'll be faced with a steaming load of new laws.
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Perhaps this isn't your intent, but I get really sick of those gun owners who say if we use our rights, the general public might get scared and we could lose those rights. So best tuck them away and don't let anyone see them! Sure, get 'em out and look at them once in a while, and proudly proclaim that we have them, but don't you go messing things up for the rest of us! Oh no, don't exercise your rights, or the Overlords will come down on all of us with both of their hobnailed boots.

Right. :banghead:

Do you think that the men who used the phrase "Come and take them" worried about whether or not things might "backfire"? :uhoh: I doubt it.

Cassandrasdaddy, the following is your sig line:

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.
Norman Thomas, Co-Founder ACLU
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MTN Jack is one of those people who is out there REFUSING to adopt the socialist agenda by ACTION. He isn't just posting on an internet board about it. Do you really believe in fighting against the rot that your sig line illustrates, or are you just content to keep what little bit they have thrown to you for the time being, and be real quiet about it in hopes that no one takes even that little scrap away from you?

Do either of you do anything to further the cause beyond posting on the internet? Huh? Have you spent any money, have you spent any time, working for gun rights in your own locale, or across this nation? Have you called or written your representative, the media, or political action groups? Have you taken any personal risk to further the rights of gun owners?

There are a lot of people all over the country doing this kind of stuff every day. That is how our rights are sustained, by the actions of those of us who are doing more than second guessing, or worrying about losing our rights if we use them.

GUESS WHAT GUYS????

If you're not using them, you've already lost them! And Stevie-Ray, if your attitude is really what you have written, I suggest that you remove the molon labe from your sig line. I suspect that if this really is your attitude, when they do come to take them, you will hand them over and be thankful nobody spanked you for ever daring to own them. :(
 
Rickstir said:
The outcome of this will be a law against open carry for everyone in PA.
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Why don't you do some reading of the open carry movement in VA and report back to see if you still think this is true. It is not an easy fight, but it is one that is being won.
 
Wow, I really can't wait to see how this turns out. Here's the thing: I understand that the LEOs would be on edge because of it being a political rally. However, it would have cause much less disruption and allowed all those officers to continue their job if they just would have let it go but kept an eye on the guy. Buy arresting, the LEOs created a disturbance and kept officers from being able to perform more important tasks - like watching for real bad guys, who don't want you to know that they're armed.

~Dale
 
The law is what ever law enforcement wants it to be at any particular moment in time to suit their agenda.
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Amen to that...

And because the sheeple have bought into the false hope that the police will protect them under every conceivable circumstance, they will happily oblige "whatever it takes".

Hence the coming of the new Police State.

Only a quarter million in lawyer fees and 10 years in court will "buy" you your liberty (after the fact).

But the perceived need for this level of "police protection" will continue as long as we have a revolving door "justice" system (now that's a joke) and we emphasize the rights of criminals over the rest of the populace. The result is always the same.... punish everyone else (with curtailed freedoms and higher taxes), because our society is unwilling to punish the perpetraitors of evil.

And please don't constue my attitude as being anit-LEO. Rather, I think the best thing we can do in support of our LEOs is to make sure the scum bags they collar never hit the streets again.
 
This article is much more detailed and informative than the first thread I saw on this event.

The statement quote below is interesting:
In a news release, state police Trooper Shawn L. Schexnaildre wrote that Noble “breached the secured perimeter of a presidential candidate political rally with a handgun fully loaded, operational, holstered and exposed.”
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Check out the highlighted text. He lists those conditions as if they indicate something sinister. I have to ask, is there any other way to open carry a handgun? Does the officer carry his in some other condition?
 
wow....
That's just ridiculous, but sadly enough it happens all the time.


I think I'm going to open carry this weekend.
 
Where are you, ACLU?

I know, I know I should not be surprised the ACLU is not going to help this guy but it makes me furious that they won't take any action.

Just think of all the things he COULD have been displaying (the mind boggles) that the ACLU would have tripped over themselves in their rush to defend him.
 
My prediction from reading this thread and the posted links is that he, Mr. Noble, will not be charged.

He will then sue the government for infringement of his rights. This court case will drag out for YEARS - because the government has unlimited legal resources (read taxpayer $$). Ulimtalety, he will win his case.

There will be a ruling that the government did do a bad thing. And Mr Noble or his kids, if he does not live long enough to see the court outcome, will get a sizeable amount of money.

Then in a few years after that someone else legally open CCWing, if its still legal then, will get arrested and the whole process will repeat itself.

Rob
 
NOW it all makes sense to me!!

I was in South Africa for the past two weeks and this little 'incident' was reported over there as . . . . . wait for it . . . . . .



AN ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON OBAMA!!!!:eek::eek:

I did not pay much attention at the time, but one of my famiyl members mentioned that the local South African news had reported an assasination attempt on Obama . . . . . can you believe how things get distorted!!!!!
 
...citing a Pennsylvania statute...
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...that allows OC of loaded firearms without a permit?

Sorry if I am going off-topic, but if someone could please PM me the statute info I'd greatly appreciate it as I've not been able to find anything pertaining to it.
 
Rob62; thanks for the help. I do have the Pennsylvania Firearms statute for carry of firearms that is listed on the website, but it looks to me that the statute states OC is only legal if done so in concordance with an LTCF. (read 6106)

A lot of word has been going around about OC being legal (which I'm sure one way or another it is... I'm probably just missing something) but I am still having a hard time finding upon what statute(s) it is made legal.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not trying to step on anyones toes here. I'm just very curious... especially since OC is supposedly legal at the age of 18 (one has the right to defend his/herself in public 3yrs before LTCF is an available option). If anyone thinks I'm leading this thread away from the intended subject, please let me know or send your info to me via PM.
 
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