man in prison does not lose his right to free speech

[WayneConrad]

Personally, I'd prefer to see all the felons executed.

Here are just a few crimes which are felonies:

Lying to a federal officer
Lying on your tax form
Using a pesticide contrary to the directions

 

[pcosmar]

armoredman said,

You have never set foot inside a real prison, have you.
There are some in prison who even we believe shouldn't be here, but the large majority inside the walls are here because they put themselves here. Victimless crimes? Like what? Show me one crime that cannot harm anyone, that would still call for prison time? When you understand more about what REALLY goes on inside the wire, then talk.

OK, You don't know me.
As the resident Ex-Felon here I am speaking from experience. I lived there.
I spent 3 1/2 yeard in maximum security, behind the walls in Jefferson City.
I worked in Medical Records and typed the Face sheet for those coming in.
I was working in the Officers Mess when Super Max was opened. I cooked around the clock for almost 30 hours. While the place was on lockdown.
I spent several more years in other institutions, on my way out.
I would guess from your posts that you are a "turn key". I lived there.
As far as guns in prison, They can be had. To most it is not worth the hassle. Money will get you anything, Drugs, sex, or guns. The people who work in the prisons are both human and corrupt.
While at Jefferson City, during an attempted escape, 2 inmates were armed with hand guns. I saw a shotgun found on the main yard, and there is a 44 mag buried in a wall, waiting for a bad day.
The weapon of choice is a "shank", true ,but I have seen Swords and battle axes, I had on personal experience with a blade that was a foot long and had a blood grove and bone handle.
I knew some in there that I would NEVER want to see out. I also know some who should have never been there. There were a couple that were proved innocent. There are some that just can't Prove it.
Working there you are still on the outside looking in, I lived there.

 

[Durruti]

This really doesnt sound like a solid plan IMHO

It doesn't have to be solid. It just has to feel good to say it

Personally, I'd prefer to see all the felons executed.

Here in Ohio, if I'm carrying my gun and walk into a business that is serving alcohol, I've committed a felony. Would you want me executed?

 

[foob]

Bureau of Prisons regulations give wardens the right to reject correspondence by an inmate for "the protection of the public, or if it might facilitate criminal activity." That includes material "which may lead to the use of physical violence."

But U.S. Attorney Alice Martin, who helped prosecute Rudolph for the Alabama bombing, said there is nothing the prison can do to restrict Rudolph or the supporter who keeps posting his writings.

Does not compute... does not compute... imminent overheating and failures... reboot... rebooot...


Also, I thought speech that incites violence isn't protected speech?

 

[armoredman]

Inmates have rights under CRIPA, Constitutional Rights of Incarcerated Persons Act.


pcosmar, I had a long response, when I realized it was both not "high road", ad had zero to do with this board. I am hoping you have your civil rights restored, so you can enjoy what this board is all about. But as to you assertions, well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[freedomwanted]

The legal system is broken we all know that.But if your kid was caught selling a bag of pot would you want him excuted.This is all a fine line that i wouldn't want any parent to go thru.And as parent would you want your kid to lose there rights. On non-violence charges people should get there rights back after they get off probation.I belive that in missouri thaat 5 years after you get off probation you get your rights back.But the feds think different! But this is part of the puishment which should tell people that do get into trouble at a young age that this is what happens an you will lose your rights for a time.So if someone get in trouble an is sent to prison for a year or two that ajter that you have 5 years of probation. Then 5 years after that you still lose your rights for 5 more years. So that is a total of 12 years with no rights. This makes a person think before they do another crime.I know this first hand because i was in jefferson city for 60 days then 5 years paper.This was 25 years ago.I've had 2 speeding tickets in the last 25 years.I'm a bussiness man with 6 workers.I'm worth 1,000,000 dollars and it was hard work but i did it myself with no help.An a good person i am.There is more to this story but it's been 25 years ago and noone gives a darn that the cops there selling drugs too.And i'm the that went away.I'm just saying the quality of mercy needs to be a person by person thing that what the congress had in mine that after so many years a person could go back to the atf an they would do an investigation to see if you have been good.But the violence policy center will not let the atf have the funding to do the investigations nor will they let the person that wants his rights back pay for it.Hell we pardon nixon years ago.It's all in the quality of mercy. But what about all the people there letting in this country. We don't know what crimes they have done before they came here but they get all the rights that we have!

 

[Pilgrim]

So does this imply that they are releasing people who aren't fully rehabilitated into the populace?

For the most part, 'rehabilitation' is not a condition of release. California gave up parole boards, which determined if an inmate was 'safe' to return to society, when it went to determinate sentencing. The only parole board that remains in CA is solely charged with deciding if inmates sentenced to parole eligible life sentences can be released. These are the inmates who received '15 years to life' and '25 years to life' sentences.

The most notable inmates who come up for parole hearings every three years are Charlie Manson, Sirhan Sirhan, and Leslie Van Houten, one of Charlie Manson's partners in crime.

CA Dept. of Corrections offers rehabilitation services, such as high school, college degree, and job training programs; along with counseling, but does not require participation.

Parole for the most part is a function of time served, work time or school credits, and good behavior.

Pilgrim

 

[freedomwanted]

There's people that say's this has nothing to with guns but how many thousands people are in the same condition.And we need a place where we can talk about it.It's about guns & goverment!Take your rights away and hear how loud you scream!

 

[armoredman]

Pilgrim, there are Federal requirements, and state requirements. AZ requires an 8th grade reading level, minimum, and offer many differant classes and job training programs, even to level 5 lockdown inmates, where I started my career. We are movingto 100% participation in programming, whether it be schooling, prison work, or job training. We even have outsourcing to independant contractors, some who setup shop inside the wire in carefully screened yards/inmate workers. Ever seen a window marked Solar Industries? Inmate made. Well made, actually. Many of these outside contractors are waiting for these now skilled workers to get out, and hire them on the street, if they can stay off the glass ****, etc. Some of them become very successful, such as a case of a former inmate working Hickmans' Farms as an inmate, and now works there as a senior supervisor civilian.
We still use parole bards, here, too. Parole was a medieval term, meaning a knight giving his word of honor he would behave honorably, if released from prisoner of war camp, before ransomed. Some crimes require 100% time served, some now 85%. Depends. Some inmates prefer to kill thier number, to avoid Nanny AZ staring over thier shoulder. I can't argue with that, either. One of my best friends works parole.
Maybe some would find this odd, but I would prefer to work myself out of a job, but with what I see/hear, this is a growth industry. Very few inmates seem to take personal responsability for thier actions, and the ones that do, usually make it work. I hope so, because as I said, 96% of AZ incarcerated inmates WILL be released someday.

 

[Dravur]

Ok, Ok..

I admit it....
I hate Survivor shows and reality TV. In fact, rarely watch TV at all anymore. But if they combined a federal penal colony on an island and put cameras everywhere and dropped all the convicts off.... I would watch that.

None of this fake survivor crap, where the cameramen are all eating at the buffet while the "Survivors" starve in front of the cameras.

 

[buzz_knox]

And yet I and nearly everyone know have managed to go our whole lives without this being an issue.

It's an issue, it just hasn't reared it's head yet. Currently, I'd say every person who gets out of their house more than once a week has violated at least one or more laws punishable as a felony within the statue of limitations for said law. The reason is that the list of felonies is incredibly expansive, and most people don't know anything approaching the extent of it.

 

[Frog48]

Because guns are a bad thing to have in a prison full of killers?

Nobody is saying that we should allow inmates to own guns INSIDE prison.

However, once you've done your time, you should be free to exercise all Constitutional Rights.

As far as I know, the right to keep and bear arms is the only BoR amendment denied to felons by federal law. Some felons are not allowed to vote, however voting eligibility is determined by state law, not federal law.

I take issue with the trend that more and more relatively minor offenses are being classified as a "felony".

 

[buzz_knox]

As far as I know, the right to keep and bear arms is the only BoR amendment denied to felons by federal law. Some felons are not allowed to vote, however voting eligibility is determined by state law, not federal law.

The right to bear arms isn't the only right they loose, but it's about the only right that they cannot regain. I believe Congress took action years ago that intereferes with an ex-con's ability to seek reinstatement of the right to bear arms.

 

[ZeSpectre]

I've given this considerable though in the past when the topic has come up. I think the the infringement of several rights is appropriate when someone is convicted of certain crimes, especially those crimes that blatently take them outside the "framework" of society.

However I also think that there should be some opportunity for redemption and restoration to full citizenship. This opportunity does not seem to exist under the current system (especially for RKBA). This troubles me.

 

[armoredman]

It exists in BATFE perview, but defunded by Congressional mandate many years ago, and Fed judges may NOT restore 2A, as proved in Texas a few years back.

 

[freedomwanted]

There was an article wrote by Executive editor of gunweek Joseph P. Tartaro in Hindsight The anti-gunners strain the quality of mercy.January 20, 2003. This is a good article about people who got into trouble.In missouri as i said 5 years after you get off probation you get your rights back. I've done been back in the court system over this. The judge told them to leave me alone.But then you have the feds which think different. What is hard to do is live by 2 different laws.So if we have to live by fed law then we need to rid of all state goverment the gov. Blunt an every other elected person. Save that money.An then we all can live by fed law.Is this not what Hilter wanted! Thats why i live in Missouri.

 

[glummer]

I think the the infringement of several rights is appropriate when someone is convicted of certain crimes, …

I would tend to agree, if the restrictions bore some relation to the crime and its likely recurrence. The RKBA restrictions often don’t.

Consider a serial rapist who prefers to carve his initials in his victims with a knife. If he gets out, he can’t own a gun – but he CAN own all the knives he wants.

The restriction is more of a slam at gun-ownership than a deserved punishment for criminals.

Owning a gun is equated with consorting with known criminals, or drunkenness, or doing drugs, as activities that deserve to be punished.

As long as people accept equations like that, we are in trouble.

 

[freedomwanted]

There was an article wrote by Executive editor of gunweek Joseph P. Tartaro in Hindsight The anti-gunners strain the quality of mercy.January 20, 2003. This is a good article about people who got into trouble.In missouri as i said 5 years after you get off probation you get your rights back. I've done been back in the court system over this. The judge told them to leave me alone.But then you have the feds which think different. What is hard to do is live by 2 different laws.So if we have to live by fed law then we need to rid of all state goverment the gov. Blunt an every other elected person. Save that money.An then we all can live by fed law.Is this not what Hilter wanted! Thats why i live in Missouri.