Man I've been busy and missed the new variable Super Sniper

[P.B.Walsh]

Is there a 4x SS, I know there's a 6x, but I was just wondering.

 

[Maverick223]

Is there a 4x SS, I know there's a 6x

That's news to me...I only know of the 10x, 10x SF, 16x, 20x, and the new 3-9x models in the SS series.

 

[MCMXI]

He just does not like to admit there might be some better systems out there than his SFP mil/moa mk4

I guess you missed the fact that I have both FFP and SFP Mark 4 scopes and use both. You also missed the fact that on more than one occasion, I've mentioned that my next "tactical" scope will be of the mil/mil variety and most likely a Nightforce model. Maybe this new SS will be a possible choice too.

All the complexity you meander off into in your post goes away completely if you work in angular mils and system international units.

You missed the point entirely ... but good 'ol Mav was able to see it right away. My comments re the mildot reticle were directed at matching a caliber/load's ballistics to the horizontal stadia with a FRONT FOCAL PLANE scope for use with holdovers as compared to a SECOND FOCAL PLANE scope ... that's it!! Regardless of whether you think in SI or Imperial units, it doesn't change a damn thing with regards to the option of intuitive holdovers that don't require a DOPE card when using a reticle such as the RZ-600 in a SFP scope. I don't consider 1.2 mil or 4.6 mil holdovers to be intuitive or accurate enough for my application, specifically when using a mildot scope with 1 mil increments between the stadia. There are many superior reticles available so mildot would be my last choice.

As for what system of units I use, like many here, I shoot matches at 200, 300 and 600 YARDS so *** would I be thinking in SI units!! All of my match rifle scopes have the metric TMR reticle and I shoot on a Marine Corps range marked off in YARDS so take it up with them if that bothers you!!

 

[LemmyCaution]

Wow. Hit a nerve there, I guess.

200yd= 183m
300yd= 274m
600yd= 549m

Now I just calculate my drop in mils at those 3 ranges and memorize them and I'm done. For all other practical purposes, I think in meters, memorize my drop values in angular mil at 25 meter increments and either adjust hold over or turrets to match. Then I use my reticle for range finding, as it was intended, and my magnification level to suit tactical considerations, instead of as a bastard slide rule to calculate drops.

I find your practical consideration of known range shooting to be a bit of a non-issue. For field use- SI and angular mil involve less math and zero unit translation.

 

[MCMXI]

For field use- SI and angular mil involve less math and zero unit translation.

I agree, but my point was about FFP vs. SFP scopes and the ability to "calibrate" the reticle, not about the merits of SI or Imperial units or the mildot reticle per se.

Then I use my reticle for range finding, as it was intended, and my magnification level to suit tactical considerations,

Out of interest, what are you "ranging" using your mildot reticle?

 

[LemmyCaution]

I understand you completely.

My point is that with a more coherent measurement system, there is no need to calibrate the reticle, thus freeing the functions of the scope for their intended purposes.

But that's just my opinion. I don't like SFP reticles on anything but fixed magnification optics, and I find the ubiquity of MOA calibrated optics depressing. Thus, the new Super Sniper scope is a very welcome addition, as there isn't much at that price point with FFP reticle and angular mil turrets, unless you put a low end Leupold through the custom shop, and even that is questionable.

 

[MCMXI]

Thus, the new Super Sniper scope is a very welcome addition, as there isn't much at that price point with FFP reticle and angular mil turrets

I agree with you on that at least.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Out of interest, what are you "ranging" using your mildot reticle?

Primarily, that which I intend to shoot. The hunter's safety people will get after me about this, but I also use it for land navigation, occasionally.

 

[Maverick223]

but good 'ol Mav was able to see it right away

Oh ****...don't drag me into this. You are kinda like a brother, we can fight each other, but in the end usually come to agree with each other.

but I also use it for land navigation, occasionally

^That's funny right there.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Quote:
but I also use it for land navigation, occasionally

^That's funny right there.

Somewhat remarkable how 'funny' and 'expedient' tend to overlap, isn't it?