Man Shot by Trooper Was Unarmed

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Again, another story that illustrates why police officers should not just skip past rule #2. This troopers life is in a bad satte right now, I am sure he feels horrible, and he was probably only doing as he was trained (or perhaps he was not trained to keep the muzzle clear of non-threats). Low ready, finger off the trigger would have saved the perp and the trooper a whole lot of anguish and pain.

it's hard to feel bad for the perp for being a criminal and an idiot that ran from the cops, but what happened to him just wasn't right according to the story. As always, there may be addittional details that we don't have that might change things a bit.
 
I find myself wondering what the cop's duty pistol is.

It might be a DAO. In which case he might have gotten comfy gently stroking the trigger to "see where it is in case he has to shoot". You can get away with that on a DA trigger, at least most of the time. Try it on a rifle and...ooopsie.

This incident smells more like an accident than the SoCal videotaped shooting on the ground. For one thing, in this Carbon County incident there were lots of other cops around...it's hard to believe a bad cop could count on ALL of them sticking up for him in a really bad shoot.

For another, there was just one shot fired...in the other, three. :scrutiny:

I hope the bad guy does OK healthwise. It'll be better for the cop (legally and esp. mentally) if he heals up.
 
I have to wonder when someone is going to say it is cheaper to train cops, and often, rather than pay the justified civil lawsuits that result from lack of training.

Sympathy for the criminal? Not particularly.

Sympathy for the trooper if he gets thumped? A little.

Finger off the trigger. So simple. SO SIMPLE.
 
We can only speculate as to what happened. But most police departments don't train with their long guns nearly as much as they train with their handguns. Placement of the safety inside the trigger guard is just asking for trouble when you combine it with adrenaline and an officer who may not be as familiar with the weapon as he needs to be.

My best guess is inadequate training and a poorly designed weapon combined to bite the officer in the butt.

Jeff
 
I've driven US6 from Green River to Nephi many times in a semi. That's some curvy road. Too bad the perps didn't lose it along the way and wipe themselves out. Now this trooper has to face all kinds of crap just for doing his job. I'm no friend of troopers, especially when I'm overloaded, overtired and over hours, but give the guy a break...
 
oh yeah

the safety is on the inside of the trigger guard, an accident waiting to happen.

Those cops don't need M14's...they need AR10's!
 
I've driven US6 from Green River to Nephi many times in a semi. That's some curvy road. Too bad the perps didn't lose it along the way and wipe themselves out. Now this trooper has to face all kinds of crap just for doing his job. I'm no friend of troopers, especially when I'm overloaded, overtired and over hours, but give the guy a break...

I dont really think that shooting unarmed and compliant men is within his job description. I am sorry but no amount of fatigue or burnout is an excuse for "accidentally" shooting a person.
 
UPDATE

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4001811

Shooting put suspect in hospital
By Stephen Hunt
The Salt Lake Tribune



Recently terminated Utah Highway Patrol Trooper Edward J. Bentley was charged this week with second-degree felony aggravated assault for shooting a robbery suspect after a high-speed chase in March through Emery and Carbon counties.

Bentley shot and wounded suspect John Louis Gourno III after Gourno exited a getaway vehicle and was walking backward - with his hands in the air - toward a half-dozen police officers.

Carbon County Attorney Gene Strate said Friday that investigators expected Bentley to say he accidentally fired his M-14 rifle.

"But the trooper was adamant that he intentionally shot the suspect," Strate said. "He took the position that the subject had lowered his hands and was turning, and that he thought [Gourno] was going for a weapon."

But an investigation by the county sheriff's office, which included viewing video footage from patrol cars, indicated the subject did nothing to deserve being shot, Strate said.

According to Utah law, the use of deadly force is only allowed in response to a threat of deadly force.

Defense attorney Greg Skordas insisted this is not a criminal case and that Bentley will be acquitted.

"This is an officer who discharged a weapon in the course of his duties," Skordas said. "He had no intent to commit a crime. He thought at the time it was the right thing to do.

"In his mind, he said, 'Something happened, and I pulled the trigger.' "

Bentley has visited a psychologist in an attempt to re-create events that day. "It's a situation where we are all looking back in hindsight," Skordas said.

Bentley, 32, who serves as the mayor of Green River, was recently terminated from his job as a result of the shooting. Skordas said the termination is being appealed.

The shooting occurred March 12 after Gourno and Audie Max Barnes, both 29 and of Ohio, allegedly robbed the Green River Comfort Inn at gunpoint of $245.

The robbers, driving a stolen vehicle, fled north on U.S. Highway 6 during a police chase that exceeded 100 mph.

The suspects were stopped at a roadblock east of Wellington, where a handful of officers - including the off-duty Bentley - confronted them with guns drawn.

Barnes, the driver, was ordered to exit the vehicle and walk backward toward the officers with his hands in the air. Gourno was shot as he was complying with a similar order.

Strate said the bullet from Bentley's rifle damaged Gourno's liver. He spent a couple of months at University Hospital before being sent back to Ohio to serve a year in jail on an unrelated conviction.

Strate said Gourno needed to be in a secure facility where he was also close to a trauma center.

"He walked out of the hospital, but he has prolonged problems," Strate said.

Both Gourno and Barnes were charged in Castle Dale's 7th District Court with aggravated robbery, car theft and failure to stop for police. Barnes is scheduled for trial Friday.

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If

...the creeps hadn't robbed a motel and hadn't gone on a police chase, they would not have a cop pointing a gun at them in the first place. I hope nothing happens to the cop.

Also, if some kid tackled me, he would have had more than a bloody nose. I would not have felt bad about it at all.
 
...the creeps hadn't robbed a motel and hadn't gone on a police chase, they would not have a cop pointing a gun at them in the first place.

True.. but that's besides the point. The point is the cop apparently messed up. Just because someone commits a crime, doesnt mean the police get to shoot them in the stomach.

I hope nothing happens to the cop.

Umm.. "Recently terminated Utah Highway Patrol Trooper Edward J. Bentley was charged this week with second-degree felony aggravated assault for shooting a robbery suspect after a high-speed chase in March through Emery and Carbon counties"

Looks like he was fired and he's gonna stand trial.
 
I have seen police get bad guys out of cars before. They always have their fingers on the trigger. I get as far away as possible.
I carried a M14 (my choice) over a M16 because of the reliability problems. This was in the military, and I know what kind of a mess they can make. I cannot imagine getting shot in the back with the M14.
When we would capture prisioners, if they were complying, we never pointed the weapon at them. It was weapon off the bad guy, and finger off the trigger. It only takes a split second to pull up and fire.
After all, one of the safety lessons is - DO NOT POINT THE WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT WANT TO SHOOT. VERY BASIC.
If they are not compying, that is a different situation. In this situation, this should never have happened.
I wonder if the officer had just said that he was the only one qualified to handle the M14.
 
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or a Mini-14...

That'd be my best guess too.

Everything I've seen on this on the TV websites and in the print media, multiple articles over several months, has identified the rifle as an M-14. The DA and Sheriff are also quoted as IDing it as an M-14.
 
Some of these replies unnerve me. Those two were criminals, but so was that cop. That trooper was a sick and twisted individual, taking it on himself to play judge, jury and executioner. If suspects had their hands up and clearly weren't posing a threat, but a man decides to shoot them anyway, he not only deserved to be put on trial, but subject to the same charges the robbers would have recieved if they had decided to take hostages, and shoot them in the stomach for their amusement. I hope he's locked away, and never allowed in position with power beyond cleaning up dog poop at public parks again.
 
I don't approve of the officers actions and think he should face some form of punishment and training as well. BUT, whenever I see these things happen AFTER a long high speed chase I just can't give much sympathy to the perps and think the officer's punishment should be downgraded a notch because of it. As Chris Rock said on a video that was going around on email "If you make the cops chase you, they're gonne bring an @$$ whippin' with them."
Yeah, I have to agree with that. This is definitely not a case of a heavy-handed, power-hungry LEO. It was simply a little too much adrenaline (and some fine shooting as it turns out).
 
Some of these replies unnerve me. Those two were criminals, but so was that cop. That trooper was a sick and twisted individual, taking it on himself to play judge, jury and executioner. If suspects had their hands up and clearly weren't posing a threat, but a man decides to shoot them anyway, he not only deserved to be put on trial, but subject to the same charges the robbers would have recieved if they had decided to take hostages, and shoot them in the stomach for their amusement. I hope he's locked away, and never allowed in position with power beyond cleaning up dog poop at public parks again.
Re-read the article. There is NO indication of criminal intent on the part of the trooper. He made a mistake in a high-stress situation and he will be punished for poor training and lack of trigger discipline, but he should NOT be treated like the scum he arrested.
 
One of the posters above said that he has seen police during a high-risk stop, guns pointed and fingers on triggers.

This is REALLY bad ju-ju.

The way I (and every other officer I know) was trained is to have the weapon on target, finger indexed. If you train properly, the transition from finger indexed to finger on trigger is less than the time to make the conscious thought to do so.

And, I'm sorry--but the fact that an M14 MBR was used makes no difference. The safety should be taken off, to be true--but the finger should be INDEXED, and AWAY FROM THE TRIGGER until you have to pull the trigger.

I carry a 1911 on duty; during the times I have had the weapon drawn and on target, the safety lock is ON, and my finger is indexed. The thumb on my firing hand is on top of the safety, however.

Should hostilities commence, the safety being wiped off is almost simultaneous with my finger going inside the trigger guard. In short, the trigger DOES NOT GET TOUCHED until I have to fire.

This applies to ANY firearm, no matter what action type. It sounds like poor training combined with adrenaline.
 
quote by Razorburn: "Some of these replies unnerve me. Those two were criminals, but so was that cop. That trooper was a sick and twisted individual, taking it on himself to play judge, jury and executioner. If suspects had their hands up and clearly weren't posing a threat, but a man decides to shoot them anyway, he not only deserved to be put on trial, but subject to the same charges the robbers would have recieved if they had decided to take hostages, and shoot them in the stomach for their amusement. I hope he's locked away, and never allowed in position with power beyond cleaning up dog poop at public parks again."

Another anti-cop(per) that can't, first, read the article and referrence it correctly but, secondly, has obviously no idea what it's like to be in a similar position.

I didn't, obviously, sit on the Grand Jury in this case and I have ONLY the "facts" as reported by some newspaper that may well be anti-cop also so I can't say any of us in here truly has the facts.

Yet, I see so many willing to judge the trooper.....and in Razorburn's case hypocritically condemns the trooper saying he (the trooper) played Judge and jury yet he sees it OK that he can. Hmmmmm...whatever.

God, if the trooper's case goes to trial I hope he has the justice of drawing a jury that, at least, keeps an open mind until they do see and hear the proof.

He certainly wouldn't get it in here.
 
"But the trooper was adamant that he intentionally shot the suspect," Strate said. "He took the position that the subject had lowered his hands and was turning, and that he thought [Gourno] was going for a weapon."

But an investigation by the county sheriff's office, which included viewing video footage from patrol cars, indicated the subject did nothing to deserve being shot, Strate said.

Unless this is a blatant lie, the Trooper is guilty and needs to spend time in the graybar motel. If saying that constitutes bias, color me tainted.
 
? I don't see a single post that justifies what he did.

It would be so cool for cops to tote an M14 or Garand!!



That said, I guess going on a 100mph chase makes cops think you have something to hide, gee.. I wonder why that's so..

I'm low on sympathies as of late..

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The chase reached speeds of more than 100 mph and lasted about 40 miles, Guymon said.

That must have been when I lost my sympathy for the criminals.
 
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