Man Stops Rioters With Sound of Shotgun Being Racked

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I see your point.

But perhaps your discussion of "the Wall" belongs at a different thread; and perhaps your statements about Gun Control...are also just conjecture? (Conjecture about causation, by the way, does not at all imply ignorance; conjecture does not stand in opposition to knowledge, as you suppose.)
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Rory Miller tells the story of giving a SD class to police recruits. He has an assistant (out of sight, in the hallway) rack a shotgun as he talks, but doesn't acknowldege the sound. The students invariably stay seated.

After about 20 seconds, he asks if anyone heard the sound. Yes. Could you tell what it was? Yes. So, there's a guy with a loaded shotgun outside in the hall--AND YOU'RE JUST SITTING HERE?

The reaction therefore varies with context and training.
 
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This thread makes me smile since it taps dances on the common argument from ignorance that 'racking a shotgun does nothing' you almost always see mention when an hd shotgun thread is created.

And now here is an article that says it does- something a lot of people have known as common sense for a while now -and the most useful thing to come out of this thread is "you said it was sound, but it wasn't." :rolleyes:
 
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I really don't see how the sound a shotgun being racked would scare a bad guy more than the sound of my Saiga/Kalashnikov bolt slamming home.
 
I for one, have learned from action movies that guns aren't dangerous, and the people holding them are not serious, until slides are racked or hammers are cocked.
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I have learned from action movies that as a general rule, bad guys can't hit anything, but, one good guy can hit bad guys by the score.
 
'racking a shotgun does nothing'
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I don't think this typically is the argument; usually more, 'racking a shotgun can't be depended upon to end the attack'.

However, I do believe that "'racking a shotgun does nothing." And that the sight of a shotgun does nothing.

The realization by the attacker that there is a shotgun in the hands of a determined defender? That could accomplish a lot. But still can't be depended on.

Sorry, I guess, to be arguing out of ignorance. :rolleyes:
 
However, I do believe that "'racking a shotgun does nothing." And that the sight of a shotgun does nothing.

The realization by the attacker that there is a shotgun in the hands of a determined defender? That could accomplish a lot. But still can't be depended on.

Sorry, I guess, to be arguing out of ignorance.
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I would have to completely agree.
 
I use a shotgun racking sound to let me know new E-mail has arrived. I don't keep my shotgun chambered. Its more of a safety issue than anything else. The same reason you should unchamber a shotgun when climbing through a fence while hunting applies in your home. If I kept an AR in its place it would not be chambered either for the same reason. As far as racking a shotgun causing someone to run away, it would discourage me. It will discourage most common criminals, but not all. I don't think there is a correct answer. In some circumstances the sound will be good and in others it will be bad. I'd just as soon not shoot anyone I don't have to, but that is me and the shotgun is going to be the second weapon I get to.
 
On a side note, the Oakland Men's Warehouse had put up signs of support for the protest and closed in solidarity with the protests. The protesters smashed the windows at the store and spray painted it with graffitti.
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I reckon I won't be shopping at the Men's Warehouse any more.
 
"One person with a gun can control a crowd of a thousand with out guns."

A lot of truth to that, and one major reason why we have to always fight to keep our second amendment right
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Lot of truth to that. You can always look at the malevolent crowd and state "Yes sir I am just one armed person against many and I may just have 5 or 6 rounds in this here scattergun. The question you fellas have to ask yourselves is this, Which of you will be the first 5 or 6 to step forward to test my resolve to save my own life?" I would imagine that will test the intestinal fortitude of just about any punk!
 
I don't keep my shotgun chambered. Its more of a safety issue than anything else. The same reason you should unchamber a shotgun when climbing through a fence while hunting applies in your home. If I kept an AR in its place it would not be chambered either for the same reason.
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Not me. Every gun I intend to grab for SD is chambered for more than one reason, including things like I may not want the sound to give my position away, I don't want to risk a misfeed, or I may not have that extra split second to chamber that first round.
 
Not me. Every gun I intend to grab for SD is chambered for more than one reason, including things like I may not want the sound to give my position away, I don't want to risk a misfeed, or I may not have that extra split second to chamber that first round.
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Here is the problem with that a Mossberg, the 870 and the AR are not drop safe. A lot of hunters have shot themselves climbing over fences over the years. Soldiers have been shot loading and unloading themselves from trucks. You can say that will not happen to you and the odds will support that but it happens all the time. I weigh that risk against somebody first of all breaking in on me, that the sound of it racking does not make break off and endangers me. I choose to keep it unchambered. Its an informed choice. I carry at home all the time. The shotgun is my barricade weapon. If I'm investigating a noise I'll be using my handgun not the shotgun. But I don't keep a weapon loaded and chambered that does not have a positive safety. I'll bet most Police departments have the same policy for the same reasons.
 
the worst sound in the world is to be looking for a suspect in the dark and then hear a shot gun being racked !!
 
I really don't see how the sound a shotgun being racked would scare a bad guy more than the sound of my Saiga/Kalashnikov bolt slamming home.
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Simple. People don't recognize the sound of your Saiga/Kalashnikov bolt slamming home as necessary being the sound of a shotgun or of a gun. All they know is that it is a mechanical sound. The sound of a pump shotgun has been replayed on countless TV programs for at least the last 50 years and people recognize that particular sound for what it is.

However, I do believe that "'racking a shotgun does nothing." And that the sight of a shotgun does nothing.

The realization by the attacker that there is a shotgun in the hands of a determined defender? That could accomplish a lot. But still can't be depended on.
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The sound of the shotgun, in the dark, IS the stimulus that lets the bad guy know that a shotgun is in the hands of a determined defender. Realization isn't going to come without sensory ques, but those sensory ques must be recognized for what they are.

Note that it could just as well be argued that it isn't the act of another person drawing a gun and pointing it at you that makes you feel like your life is in danger, but the realization that this has been done and that the next action may be the bullet traveling towards you that makes you
 
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