Man uses a gun to save his child in NY, faces jail time

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I take SERIOUS offense to governments that makes a man choose between going to jail and saving his son's life. Going to jail would be a welcome if I can see MY son's 18th birthday, but the fact that a state who is the one dragging it's feet, can't tell who the real criminal is makes me mad! :fire:

To quote Dennis Praeger,

"The criminal justice system is more criminal than just. It is always on the side of the criminals, never on the side of the just."

Reading about things like this makes me want to flip off gov'ment officials and cuss them out! <sensored sailor talk!!>
 
Does the Constitution say he needs a permit? Nope. It doesn't say a lot of things. The Constitution doesn't say that felons can't own guns either, but I don't very often see anybody defending their Constitutional rights to gun ownership.

While people keeping bringing up this philosophical question of the Constitution and broadcasting it from a soapbox, what they tend to fail to understand is that regardless of what they feel was meant by the constitution and how it is to be applied, currently in society we do have regulating laws on things such as guns. Personally, I think they suck as well.

So while on the philosophical level this guy should not have been charged, on the real life and practical level there are laws that have been held up as valid in the courts that are contrary to the philosophical perspective.

You know, had the guy been in a gun friendly state and had the same events happen but he grabbed his full auto Tommy gun for which he did not have a Class III permit and hosed the intruder, the same thing would have happened.

I don't know how many times it has to be said, but the laws suck in places like New York. Why people choose to live there is beyond me.
 
In keeping with my posting about Germany and the Jews before and during WWII:

I suppose that the extermination of people by their government is just too bad and is only a philosophical concern and not a practical one. If DoubleNaughtSpy and WildAlaska lived in Germany or Poland during that time and were Jewish, I suppose they would have just shrugged and told their neighbors to either go to the gas chamber like good citizens or get out of the country. There's obviously something wrong with you if you don't blindly obey the law.


What really bothers me about the comments of these posters siding with "the law" is that they are saying that we should dismiss the philosophical issues and face up to the reality...that the guy (or anyone) should just move elsewhere if the laws in that state don't suit him. The reality is this, gentlemen...THAT argument is pretty much a philosophical one and not reality for most people. Most people CAN'T just pick up and move based on their beliefs. I am happy for you if you are those rare individuals who are able to do so with relative ease but most of us are pretty tied to where we are because of financial or familial reasons. The guy had moved from Florida, yes, but did he move BACK to New York? Was he there because that is the only place where he could find employment doing what he does?

The law is the law, but the law is not always right. I feel that it is my duty to flagrantly disregard any law that isn't MORALLY right and do so whenever I get the chance. As of yet, I haven't landed in jail. If I DID live in some areas, I would likely be in prison for some of the MORAL but unlawful stances that I sometimes take. I HAVE suffered for some of my views but I'm still right and I've still won in the long run.

This country is about the CITIZENS and what is best for the individual...or it should be. More and more, we see drones and sheep bowing down to what their "betters" in government tell them is best for them instead of making their own decisions.
 
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Hey I was going to point out where Double Naught Spy had a flawed argument regarding philosophy or reality...

But Harold Mayo beat me to it!


HS/LD
 
One of the problems I see with so many gun control laws is the serious inconsistencies from State to State. Sometimes there are inconsistencies within the State.

And, some of the State laws are at odds with Federal regulations within certain parameters.

It is downright easy to be perfectly legal to possess a gun in one State, and totally illegal in others.

I was just going throug the NRA.ILA.ORG website looking at gun laws from State-to-State. In some instances, the laws are fairly compatible, but in other instances, watch out. If you move there you could be in criminal possession as soon as you cross the State line. And, it could be for something rather trivial you might not even think about it.

Any time you move or enter another State, it is imperative that you investigate the State and Local laws there first.
 
Yep; sometimes a real patchwork quilt.:rolleyes:


Like MOA said; check 'em out before crossin' lines.
 
Marshall's got it right.

Zundfulge's point boils down to the fact that the guy DID comply with the law by sending in the registration papers. That NY didn't fulfill ITS obligation is another matter entirely and not the responsibility of Dixon.

SCOTUS case candidate? Maybe....
 
Guess we'll have to close this thread - no one is qualified as a lawyer to have an opinion on the law or the constitution. And no one here is currently going to trial for violating a gun law so as to prove they are willing to risk their life and liberty to stand by their convictions.

If only my cousin who was wounded in Vietnam, my father who was wounded in Korea, my uncle who died in WWII, my great uncle who died in WWI, and my distant relatives who fought in the Civil War, were available to post here, maybe they could have an opinion.

But us common folk, who work to feed and shelter our families, who pay our taxes, who stand ready to serve our country in time of need, who work for political reform, who have the responsibility of ensuring that the liberties our families bled and died for are maintained - our opinions and convictions don't really count.

You see it is the present laws that matter, not all that rhetoric by our founding fathers (that they fought and died for) about inalienable rights, not the rhetoric of the Bill of Rights, not that rhetoric about governments being instituted to secure inalienable rights and when they become destructive to those ends the right and duty to abolish them, and not that rhetoric about suffering a long chain of abuses and not lightly seeking to overthrow government.

I guess I should apologize for the temerity to even think that a man has a right to defend his life and the lives of his family using the most, and oft times the only, effective means available, a firearm. Especially if there is a law against it.

Except that now that I have thought about it, I don’t apologize, because laws that prohibit a man from defending himself or his family are shameful and repugnant to anyone who has a shred of human decency and who believes at all in the sanctity of human life. That is the truth and it remains the truth whether a man openly flaunts such a law, covertly flaunts such a law, complies with the law but works to change it, or is a coward and says and does nothing about it.
 
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