Man with AK47 sought in SW Miami-Dade

[Don't Tread On Me]

Hi, just like to comment on some of the feelings and ideas expressed in this thread.


MY RIGHTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIORS OF OTHER PEOPLE.


Last time I checked, various ceremonies done at my church weren't banned or prohibited because of criminally insane cults acting outside of the law.


If you THR people keep thinking this way, if you sit there and try and make excuses, or try and do "damage control" you are conceding this very concept as valid. You might fight it off and win - but you still lose by entertaining such a debate in the first place. Your engagement in the debate from that particular angle only legitimizes the anti-gunners FLAWED and ILLOGICAL attack known as: Guilt by Association.


The answer is simple. It is in red above. End of story.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

MY RIGHTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIORS OF OTHER PEOPLE.

You are preaching to the choir.

Try to stay on topic however.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

You are preaching to the choir.

Am I?

Fox News actually specified they don't know if the rifle is semi or full auto. Didn't use Assault Rifle/Weapon term.

now we all know who we can thank for AWB II.

Fox News now using "Assault Weapon" instead of rifle or AK47.

Hopefully the AKM will turn out to have been illegally modified to full auto, then at least they can't claim truthfully that those are legal weapons that are obtained without alot of hassle or background checks.

Seems to me that the fixation on what kind of weapon was used is of more importance to THR than it is to the news or the anti's at this point and time. Why would that be? It is pretty obvious that there is an elevated stress-level in the tone of this thread because the weapon in question *might* be an AK clone. Had this been a lever action, I assure you there would be less emphasis on the firearm itself, and I'm talking about "us" pro-RKBA'ers. That is unfortunate.


Seriously, if the rifle turned out to be illegally modified to full auto, how does that make this any better? Reminds me of the nonsense over on DU.com where people from THR demonize full-autos in order to "save" the reputation and legitimacy semi-auto clones. Great logic there.

My point is that it doesn't matter. A crime is a crime regardless of the means. Are the officers shot and wounded/killed? That is the topic here. Or is it? Speaking of being off topic, why is a police shooting a topic of THR in the first place? Might it be because people are already looking into the gun-control possibilities or consequences?

Like my point specifies, by doing so - you're just as bad as the anti-gunners. What I see here is a heinous crime. I don't "see" any discussion necessary about any firearm type or pattern. We do believe that firearms are inanimate objects do we not? Maybe we should act like it too.

This is nothing more than a crime story. THR is a gun forum. Mixing the two here is defeatist. If the anti-gunners come out with some nonsense which they are surely going to - then we should address THAT. Otherwise, this is just a tragic story about some P.O.S. thug that hurt and killed police officers.

 

[Black Adder LXX]

Apparently Labeet's family members were the ones cornered at the Target. They cuffed his brother and took him into custody for questions. A bystander at the Target said he's never seen so many cops in his life. Labeet is still at large, they have an entire neighborhood where his mother lives in Margate (outside Fort Lauderdale) cordoned off and the folks that live there can't go back to their homes yet. Lots of hardware there...

And at the risk of getting flamed for being an anti or something, the 'experts' on the local news are tossing around the imbecilic 'evil assault weapon' nonsense as they are famous for doing. Just stating a fact for my fellow THR peeps outside of the gunshine state...

 

[The Unknown User]

Just curious: why have so many of the posts in this thread referenced how this event could be bad for gun control, or expressed an interest in how the suspect obtained his weapon(s)?

An officer died.

My condolences to those involved. I wish a speedy recovery to anyone injured.

 

[dralarms]

Yea, I left Shepard Smith a email asking that they stop trying to get the AWB back in place because of this instance. didn't even get a reply.

 

[Erebus]

Just curious: why have so many of the posts in this thread referenced how this event could be bad for gun control, or expressed an interest in how the suspect obtained his weapon(s)?

Because if you don't think the Bradys and VPC aren't already thinking about how they can spin this to take your rights away you are delusional.

There will be a press release by the Bradys by morning about how these "Assault Weapons" must be banned to save the lives of police officers.

We all feel for the officers and their families but those that wish to take our rights away are already hard at work to use this against us. We must not be unprepared.

 

[The Unknown User]

Actually, I'm not delusional. I'm from MA, so I'm not an idiot.

I just think it's more important to focus on the fact that there's a crazy nut running around with a gun, shooting police officers, and posing a pretty significant threat to public safety rather than focus on the political ramifications.

We can worry about those tomorrow.

By the way, who are the Bradys and the VPC?

 

[Black Adder LXX]

The lady officer who was shot in the leg was finally released after major (5-1/2 hour) surgery on her leg. Federal law prohibits disclosure of their condition, but I have heard the word 'shattered' thrown around in the discussions on her wound.

 

[Erebus]

By the way, who are the Bradys and the VPC?

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence used to be known as Handgun Control Inc.

Violence Policy Center The only violence they are interested in is the type that makes gun owners look bad and can be used to push gun bans.

Both dyed in the wool gun grabbers that try to appear otherwise.

 

[The Unknown User]

I've heard the name "Brady" thrown around, but my god that makes me so angry.

 

[Black Adder LXX]

^^^ Yeah, the Brady Bunch all started when Reagan got shot with a 22 pistol and that was why assault weapons needed to be banned, to keep the 22 pistols off the streets...Opportunistic scumbags...

 

[dstorm1911]

Rob87, worrying about what the gun grabbers will do tomorrow "might" be part of the reason MA now has such restrictive gun laws ya think? Seems there isn't much ya'll can own without some major BS being necessary. The rest of us who have not lost so many rights really would like to not lose em cause we followed other states example of not worryin bout it till tomorrow....

Now what really gets me and I'm amazed "don't tread on me" didn't mention it

"Hopefully the AKM will turn out to have been illegally modified to full auto, then at least they can't claim truthfully that those are legal weapons that are obtained without alot of hassle or background checks."


Partner ya had better be hopein it WASN'T illegally modified, ya see here is how an illegally modified WASR goes down in the media

"And this machine gun was converted in a matter of minutes with only a few original full auto parts purchased off the internet, a 5/16" drill bit and a 3/16" drill bit and a dremmel moto tool to convert this $300 legal for anyone to purchase over 18 years old semi auto AKM into a fully automatic death ray...... because these weapons which can be legally purchased over the counter or at gunshows are so inexpensive they MUST BE BANNED to prevent these illegal conversions if the guns are not available then they cannot be converted"

So would ya like to stick with your hopes that it was illegally modified or would ya rather open your eyes up all the way and look at the bigger picture???

Folks, I really hope they get this S.O.B, Everyone here at THR is thinking about the officers who were shot, but most of us are capable of more than one thought process at a time........ ya can be concerned about the officers as well as being concerned about how this will be handled by the ANTI gun crowd............

 

[Black Adder LXX]

Folks, I really hope they get this S.O.B, Everyone here at THR is thinking about the officers who were shot, but most of us are capable of more than one thought process at a time........ ya can be concerned about the officers as well as being concerned about how this will be handled by the ANTI gun crowd............

+1 Right on. I'm also thinking, "I hope this guy resists arrest"

 

[Erebus]

Robert Parker, Director of the Miami-Date Police Dept stated on Fox News in an interview with Shep Smith that the original misidentified suspect occured because they were deliberately mislead by a witness that was close to Labeet. He said that the person that mislead them will face some kind of penalty.

I also remember someone stating in a press conference(if memory serves) that it was a semi-auto rifle. I haven't heard AK47 repeated in a while so maybe it wasn't an AK or AK clone.

From Fox News.com

The suspect purchased three high-powered weapons in March, police said.

Labeet was already wanted on an existing arrest warrant for aggravated assault in Broward County, O'Brien said.

Can someone with warrants out for them buy legally? I would think they would be denied. Would 11b, c, or d on a 4473 apply?

 

[Erebus]

Rob87, worrying about what the gun grabbers will do tomorrow "might" be part of the reason MA now has such restrictive gun laws

Yea all the hoops you have to jump through to exercise a Constitutionally Protected Right aside. I don't have to count to know that there are MANY MANY more guns we are not allowed to buy in MA than ones we are allowed to buy. Yet we still have sky high crime in the big cities just like all the other extremely restrictive places.

 

[alligator94]

Can someone with warrants out for them buy legally? I would think they would be denied. Would 11b, c, or d on a 4473 apply?

If he was able to buy them with warrants and an NICS check would that mean that the system of background checks is broken? Out of curiosity though how did they know he bought these weapons if there really is no registration.

 

[Nimitz]

people were asking about the AR's and if it was normal.

they have every SRT/SWAT team represented there, homeland security, customs, etc. also MANY patrol officers now are able to carry a patrol rifle in their trunks.

so yes pretty normal, most cops down here do carry ar's. in the car.

Chad

 

[Matt King]

A family friend of Labeet misled police and gave false information that helped Labeet get a step ahead of police looking for him, O'Brien said.

From: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296702,00.html

 

[Titan6]

I am sending out a prayer for the fallen.

Also for swift and certain justice.

 

[The Unknown User]

Dstorm, I resent the implication that I'm somehow less cognitively- and intellectually-capable than others posters here. I never took a cheap shot at your intelligence; why take one at mine?

I was never trying to imply that we shouldn't prepare a defense against the barrage of attacks that many people, including the media, will try to take against the pro-gun community, but more that the fact that an officer had already died, and that three more were in an unknown status took priority over that.

But hey, that's just me. Once I know the bad guy has been dealt with, and the status of the injured officers, I'll start worrying about how this will affect gun control.

Erebus, thanks for that information on the Brady's. Once I saw the guy's face, I thought to myself, "YOU!" I've seen his face numerous times before. I know exactly who he is. I just never made that connection.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

Back in the old days when we didn't trust cops for safety, armed citizens formed groups called posses that saved people the trouble of a trial. We know who he is and what he did, don't really think any facts are in doubt. Dead or alive sounds exactly like the kind of treatment this guy deserves.

 

[Erebus]

oops dupe

 

[Erebus]

Erebus, thanks for that information on the Brady's. Once I saw the guy's face, I thought to myself, "YOU!" I've seen his face numerous times before. I know exactly who he is. I just never made that connection.

He was part of President Reagan's entourage when Hinckley opened fire to show his love for Jodi Foster. Brady was hit in the head and was never the same. He recovered some but suffered some really debilitating injuries as a result. Unfortunately instead of blaming the man that pulled the trigger he and his wife have chosen to blame the inanimate object that Hinckley wielded.

 

[dstorm1911]

ROB87........ uh excuse me but ya seem to have read a whole cr@p load more into my comment than I have written ESPECIALLY all of your insinuations about it having anything to do with your inteligence etc... etc.. etc...

I merely stated that the rest of us are capable of having concerns over the officers AS WELL as putting thought into immediate action to counter the Antigun crowd....... perhaps ya outa avoid overthinkin what anyone has written to the point ya come up with all sorts of personal related BS...... maybe


here is what I wrote ya might wish to re-read it partner

"Rob87, worrying about what the gun grabbers will do tomorrow "might" be part of the reason MA now has such restrictive gun laws ya think? Seems there isn't much ya'll can own without some major BS being necessary. The rest of us who have not lost so many rights really would like to not lose em cause we followed other states example of not worryin bout it till tomorrow...."

now at what point are all these personal insinuations etc....??? chill out a tad partner ya really are readin way way to much into a simple OBSERVATION