Manga how to draw guns book

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So I was poking around the local comic book store, and saw a series of 'how to draw manga books' which started with how to draw in general, more specific manga characters, body poses, faces, etc, then moved on to cloths and uniforms and then...HOW TO DRAW GUNS! and another for cars/motorcylces then another for tanks/ships/planes etc.

The store owner pointed out two more different series, but they were in japanese, and those series also had how to draw guns volumes.

Anyways, the idea of some guy drawing these pictures from photos from shooters bible, handguns of the world, or some other source...and then aspiring animators and (according to the jacket, books used by some names I don't know but I take to be currently working animators) refrencing this book, and then some fanboy kid drawing based on the movie he saw, the guns depicted are 4th and 5th hand.

What I saw and didn't saw made a lot of sense with how animie guns are portrayed. Lots of top break revolvers in the english language book, maybe that is why so many 'anime special custom' firing some ubercartridge is using this old fasioned and weaker design. They had pictures of swing out and break open revolvers being opened, but no pictures of slides bieng racked to chamber rounds or as a semiauto fired. I have noted that even in anime movies with highly detailed guns, the slide never moves when fired, and certain 'anime special custom' guns have doodadds where they would restrict slide movment.

Another feature that stood out to me is the careful depiction of the stamped manufactures name trademark symbol, caliber, etc etc, that you find on the side of the barrel, receiver, of slide of pretty much every gun of the last century. Yet this is the very stuff I often look past when looking at a real gun, while in animie movies it is often prominently displayed. It is quite possible that thanks to line models like these, the artists don't realize that unless you are a few feet away you probably won't see this writing, it's a lot less noticable than say, numbers on the keys of a phone or a keyboard.

For the most part the info was light, but relatively accurate. However, there were a lot of opinions passed off as facts, and some downright false info.

Colt Python, the rolls royce of guns, even budget strapped departments went out of their way to procure this gun(????) even though in the 70s the quality went down and never recovered.

Many police used to use the 357(not 38???) special revolver, but it was found lacking in persuit (for shooting cars????) so they developed the .357 magnum, which is more powerful, and then the 44 magnum, which is even more powerful, and used by hunters, sometimes for deer but usually for bear or something even bigger!(???)

The 357 magnum was designed to be used in the N frame revolver, but it can be used in this K frame revolver 'in a pinch'(??)

Made K frame sound like a death trap in the L frame section.

Smith and Wesson have 'flip up rear sights' with an arrow pointing at the screw for elevation ajdustment. (???)Now, the right left adjustment control, fronm the other side, may look a bit like the sight can flip up and down in line drawings, watch for that feature in future anime movies.

Colt detective special was reserved for police, very few were in civilian hands(????)

They noted that the Smith and Wesson model 40 had a grip saftey, which to my knowledge, is the ONLY firearm with a saftey, but the way they present it, it isn't an unusual feature. Maybe that's why we always hear about revolvers with safteys.

At the end of the revolver section they talked about 'saturday night specials' and the danger of them. One picture where they just had a sillouette looked a heck of a lot like a H&R el cheapo revolver, the picture was pointing out how the hammer blocked the sights...even though as you use the double action trigger the sights become exposed and there is always thumb cocking.

It's unsafe to use a saturday night special close to your eye, it may explode, hip shooting is acceptable because the ranges are close and if the gun blows up, no big deal. Apparently they are trying to come up with some justification for what was once an honest shooting technique but now mostly when you see a guy hipfiring a snubbie, he is doing it from ignorance, not some wise descision to protect his eyes.

the barrel of saturday night specials are 1mm thick(?) and may explode, plus the rifling is poorly cut, which makes them inaccurate (as opposed to the short barrel and poor sights????) also, the cylinder is 1mm thick (?) with a picture of an open cylnder, and a 45(?)special in it, and the comment 'would you trust firing a 44 special in such a gun like the charter arms bulldog? It may blow up!' Now apparently they are talking about the chamber/cylinder wall thickness not the diameter of the actual cylnder, but still!
 
I remeber flipping through one at a friends house which showed an M1
Garand with the buttstock cut down to a pistol and grip and the barrel shortened to 8 inches. Actually, coming to think if it, it was pretty awesome. :evil:
 
Sounds like a bad translation to me. You'd be surprised how little sense a japanese to english translation can make.
 
People who don't know anything about guns writing about guns they're too lazy to research from credible sources to make a buck.

Happens here too. Just check the gun magazines.;)
 
What hso said.

Plus, I'm presuming your manga author is Japanese, and they don't exactly get a lot of experience with the real thing over there. No chance to see how stupid some of the myths are.

Makes 'em kinda like "GunsRCool" teenaged boys that never grow up. :)
 
no, I don't think it was a translation issue. I read some of the plane entries and motorcycle entries as well as a bunch of the gun entries, the wording was not akward at all. If it was just a translation issue it would have cropped up in other contexts as well.

you can't mistranslate and end up with an entirely new entry for the 'saturday night special' not included in the original.

you may mistranslate a specific term, or you may choose to be somewhat incorrect for the sake of berevity when discussing something your audience member will understand (stating cylinder, not saying wall between chamber and external notch on said cylinder) but 1mm is 1mm in both japanese and english
 
I'd love to see that book so I guess I'll head over to Japantown sometime to see if they've got one.

BTW, there is an Enfield break-top revolver that had a sliding safety. It prevented the hammer from rotating back.
 
The 357 magnum was designed to be used in the N frame revolver, but it can be used in this K frame revolver 'in a pinch'(??)

Guess I've been piching the crap out of my K-frames.

While I hesitate to fire true full-house loads like BB and such, developing top 10mm energy levels, I have no problem firing run-of-the-mill .357 ammo in my K-frames, especially my model 65.

If K-frames were not meant to handle .357, I suspect they would have written ".38 special" on the barrel. :rolleyes:
 
I remeber flipping through one at a friends house which showed an M1
Garand with the buttstock cut down to a pistol and grip and the barrel shortened to 8 inches

Was it Hellsing? Luke Valentine had two sawed-off M1s. Didn't do him much good, though, 'cause he got eaten.:evil:

I think the realistic depiction of modern guns is a bit hit-and-miss in anime. However, the "future" guns shown are admittedly impressive.
 
With the exception of Cowboy Bebop...although for some strange reason the 1911 design is all but extinct by that time period (I think they showed a 1911 only once, maybe twice, in the entire series).
 
I once worked as an editor for a Japanese writer who did books about jazz. The book he was working on had song lyrics translated into Japanese with footnotes about some of the stuff he thought the Japanese audience wouldn't understand: cultural references, etc. It's amazing how much misinformation is floating around the world about other cultures: them about us, and vice-versa. I think this is partly due to the fact that the main source of information is media representations (movies, TV shows, etc.) with mistranslated dubbing or subtitles. So you start with pseudo-facts and misinformation, translate it poorly, and then bounce it around the echo chamber for awhile. The result bears little relation to reality.

Japan does have a small collector's market in deactivated weapons, especially military arms. Those people are among the most knowledgable in the world about the specs of firearms--the Japanese can be very obsessive about their hobbies. But those collectors don't tend to be the audience for manga.
 
I think you are right with movies playing a big roll in how culture is viewed. For instance, in the gun books, a lot of guns were movie mentionables, including the C.O.P 4 barreled derringer you see some lady using at the end of the movie 'bad boys' being included in the book at all, let alone with info on what movie it appeared in and a drawing of an action shot where a woman was pointing it, was ONLY because it was featured in the movie.
 
Pick up any of Masamune Shirow's sketchbooks for the Ghost in the Shell series for some other interesting ideas.

Not only does one character use a Mateba, but he'd come up with some really interesting bullpup designs, including one where the entire angled-L foregrip in front of the trigger guard was a releasable mag secured at top and back for durability.

He usually labels his fictional bullpup guns as being made by a company called Seburo, but the series has shown all sorts of real ones, the requisite Desert Eagle, a Jericho, a Vektor CP1, even a Tokarev TT-33 with the star grips!

Some of his fictional gun designs:

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(Yes, that's a short magazine-fed shotgun!)

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