March Centerfire Match:

[leadaddict]

I only had ammo for one target with today. It scores as 101 I think. I botched a few shots, but overall I was happy with a few of the shots.



It is a beautiful day here in Iowa 5-10 mph wind from the right. Sunny and 70ish degrees.

This was shot with my Savage 10FP .308, using 110gn Hornady VMax handloads. It has a 10X Bushnell 3200 scope on it. A beautiful day at the range! Spent almost 3 hours there with my son!

 

[Maverick223]

Not to shabby, gregaw.



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[KSCCHTrainer]

The weather guessers (forecasters?) got it wrong! Rain/T-Storms didn't materialize. Frank just called me, said the horses were still in the barn and there was absolutely NO wind messing with the range. The berm walls are high enough to keep even the very light breeze from affecting things too much so I just finished packing up the .223, 100 rounds of ammo and some of Maverick's red colored targets.

I'm headed for the outdoor range to shoot this month's centerfire match -- Happy Day!

Jim

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Well, best laid plans of mice and men ---- Got over to Frank's place and found out he forgot to tell his wife to leave the horsies in the barn, not to mention the fact that the wind had picked up and it was swirling all over the place so we headed for the indoor range -- Had to come up with a target for this month's match even if I did have to shoot it indoors!

Class: Unlimited/Target
Distance: 100 Yards Indoors, no wind
Rifle: Savage Model 10 Tactical in a Choate "Ultimate Sniper" stock with Nikon Buckmaster 6.5-18 X 40 glass. Mil Dot retical with super fine center crosshairs.
Position: Seated at bench, rifle on front bipod, rear monopod (built into the stock)
Ammo: Handloads, 75 grain PPU BTHP over 25.5 grains Hodgdon Varget on the uncolored target and 69 grain PPU BTHP over 25.0 grains Alliant Reloader #15 on the colored target.
Scores: Colored target, 157, uncolored target, 161 (For some reason I missed shooting the 4 altogether! ).
Could just barely see the outer ring on the uncolored target but the red color on the other one helped a lot. Took 10 uncolored targets to get lucky and come up with one where I managed to at least nick the outer ring on the 13. Took 2 on the colored one as I went to slightly heavier bullets and had to adjust the elevation by one click. I thought I aced it, but it looks like I may have nicked the ring on both the 12 and 13 so I'm calling it a 157.

Dang, Mav, you just keep coming up with the wildest targets to shoot at! Fun stuff!!!

Jim

 

[Maverick223]

I don't know if indoors really yields an unfair advantage anyway. Sure you can negate windage and mirage, but IME you also have more distractions to deal with. Shooting centerfire I'd call the difference negligible.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

I don't know if indoors really yields an unfair advantage anyway. Sure you can negate windage and mirage, but IME you also have more distractions to deal with. Shooting centerfire I'd call the difference negligible.

Actually I never worried about it until I ran afoul of that "troll" we had heckling everyone for a while last year claiming anyone shooting indoors ought to not be allowed in the match.

Appears he got tired of being ignored and went to bothering some other forum.

You may be right about the distractions. Had several guys bouncing brass off my shoulders shooting AR's this morning. I'm left handed and they actually have a special lane all the way to the right that's uniquely set up for both left and right handers. It's only problem is that all other rifles eject their empties right at you.

Oh and just in case I don't get a chance to shoot in next month's matches, I'm gonna be pretty busy. I'm scheduled to teach a concealed carry class and 2 reloading classes next month so prep time might just keep me off the range.

Jim

 

[Maverick223]

It's only problem is that all other rifles eject their empties right at you.

That's just there to help teach tactical brass avoidance maneuvers...never know when such a skill might be required, best to prepare ahead.

WRT missing next month's match: no explanation necessary, I know as well as anyone, things can get a bit hectic from time to time.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

That's just there to help teach tactical brass avoidance maneuvers...never know when such a skill might be required, best to prepare ahead.

Yeah, your comment calls to mind the scene in Crocodile Dundee II where the street gang is hooting outside the wall to Rico's place on Long Island and when the guards come close to the wall the homies throw all the cans over. About like 2-3 AR's all shooting at once in the lanes left of you.

 

[Maverick223]

Jeez, some people are so hostile towards kind folks that are just looking to help others procure brass for reloading.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Hah! good thought. Way I figger it, any brass that comes into my lane whilst I'm shooting is mine. Sometimes this leads to friendly (mostly) conflicts with other shooters. If they are shooting anything other than reloadable .223 I sweep it onto the floor and let them sort it out. Anything else is fair game. That's why I shoot a bolt gun and make sure to catch the brass as it comes out so I don't lose any of my own.

The range is pretty good about letting you scavenge brass from the sweepings as long as you don't get too greedy and I usually ask anyone not reloading .223 to save their brass for me. If they don't have another friend that reloads, I usually go home with a couple hundred more empties than I brought with me. Most of it's Winchester White Box or Remington so it's pretty good brass. It pays to have a few of those Crown Royal booze bottle bags along. They make absolutely GREAT brass bags. I don't drink the stuff but I've got a friend who is the bar manager at the local VFW and he usually brings me a half dozen or so of the big ones a month. I pass 'em out at the range in return for .223, .38 Special, .44 Special or Magnum and .45ACP brass.

Jim

 

[sixgunner455]

Someone was lamenting that nobody tries these matches with an open-sighted, as-issued milsurp, so I decided to take a swing at it.

Shot my K31 prone, 1979 vintage GP11 ammo, at a colored-in B&W target. I gave up after 5 rounds. Felt like I was wasting ammo.

Scored 17. Hit the 2 fully in the circle, edge of the 3, and a pretty good edge hit on the 10, but I actually shot at 1-5.

Kind of fun to give it a try, but I don't think this target is really a good setup for a rifle like mine. At least, not in my hands.

 

[Sergeant Sabre]

sixgunner,

I was one of the ones that was wishing more people would take a try at this with iron-sighted rifles, or rifles with non-magnified optics. As I shot today with my AR and an EOTech, I came to the same conclusion as you did: This is not a good target for this type of rifle at this distance. I even colored-in the circles in bright pink, outlined in green, and I couldn't pick out the individual circles at 50yds. I was wearing my glasses, even, which give me 20/20 vision.

Anyway, here is my submission:

Rifle: Palmetto State Armory PAR-15, 16" barrel
Ammunition: Federal XM193, 55gr FMJ
Sights: EOTech 512
Score: 6

My target:


Looks like three points to me. It looks like two rounds in the "1" circle, but the top hole is just a fragment that somehow tore the target. I gave up after shooting 1-4, because I wasn't shooting at individual circles, just at about where on the paper I thought the circle would be.

If we want more non-magnified or iron-sighted competition, we are going to either have to allow these rifles to shoot at a closer distance, or use a different target from the scoped rifles.

 

[sixgunner455]

Yeah, that's how I did it - I'd shot three or four of them rimfire, and so I pretty much knew where on the page the circles should be, and aimed there.

I figure, with this kind of rifle, I should be able to hit the sheet of paper quite a bit further than 50 yards, but any particular spot on it? Nah.

 

[Maverick223]

Sergeant Sabre, I think a closer distance (along with a little better target selection) might be the ticket for non-magnified sighting. What do you guys think about 25yds?

 

[Maverick223]

Final Results:

Scores are in;

Magnified, Unlimited Division:
1st: KSCCHTrainer (161)

Magnified, Target Division:
1st: Whiskey11 (116)
2nd: Gregaw (101)

Non Magnified Class:
1st: sixgunner455 (17)
2nd: Sergeant Sabre (6)

Stay tuned, the next match is in the works and is planned to be posted within the hour...

 

[sixgunner455]

Hey, not to disparage SgtSabre, but don't I get credit for trying it with my K31?

 

[Maverick223]

Sorry for leaving you out, sixgunner455. Didn't see a photo, so I missed your post when doing the final tally.

 

[Maverick223]

New match is up and running; come check it out here.

 

[Sergeant Sabre]

I think 25yds is a good place to start. We can always tweak things based on feedback later.

 

[sixgunner455]

No problem. It wasn't really worth scanning, you know!


25 yards might be the ticket, depending on the target.

I mean, November's Turkey probably would have been a hoot at 100, just to see what kind of score I got.

 

[Sergeant Sabre]

I mean, November's Turkey probably would have been a hoot at 100, just to see what kind of score I got.

Right. I think the issue is the many small targets on one page blend together. If the target is one large object, I think it would be do-able at 50yds, since the point of aim would generally be the very center of the one object that is visible at 50yds.

 

[Maverick223]

Let me know what you think about this month's target/range. The target is somewhat small, but not nearly as small as some of the previous month's targets. I think it'll work at 25, but I haven't had the opportunity to test it as of yet.