Mark 7's new Evolution Pro press

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A video my daughter (who is a documentary filmmaker) put together about Mark 7 Reloading's new Evolution Pro reloading press, which I think will have MUCH broader appeal than their current target market of competition racegun semiauto shooters.



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$9,499 price tag?

Dang ... I thought my Dillon 650 with case feeder was pricey.
Wrong model, you're looking at the Revolution...which is very cool with the primer collator

The Evolution Pro is about $5k and the basic Evolution is about $2750

I'm finding the Evolution very tempting...if only I didn't load as many calibers as I do...and would give it serious consideration ahead of a Dillon 1050B
 
I have a 5 station Dillon 650 which suits my purposes pretty well. I can see how an extra station could come in handy on occasion though. What is the advantage of the 10 station Mark 7 Evolution/Revolution over the 8 station Dillon 1050? At a quick glance the Mark 7 and 1050 look to have a lot of similarities.
 
What is the advantage of the 10 station Mark 7 Evolution/Revolution over the 8 station Dillon 1050?

This is the way they have the stations laid out:

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The features that caught my eye were:
1. Ergonomically operating handle, for right or left-hand use
2. Case fee system using roller bearings and user-adjustable springs
3. Double Sleeve support for the tool head
4. Gear-based operation
5. Customized Mr Bullet Feeder
 
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What is the advantage of the 10 station Mark 7 Evolution/Revolution over the 8 station Dillon 1050? At a quick glance the Mark 7 and 1050 look to have a lot of similarities.

The 1050, like the original RL-1000 on which it was based (and which I bought for Kent Lomont and me to use in 1978 at a cost of $2400), has some inherent problems that can be worked around but not cured completely.

There are thousands of Dillon fanboys out there, but an objective assessment of Dillon presses will reveal that their level of fit and precision is nowhere near that of a Star. Further, some of their design and engineering is second rate, most notably the Dillon's priming system and their joke of a powder measure.

Dillon has great customer service on their consumer presses but my 1050 required broken parts replacement in less than 5,000 rounds (and there's no warranty on the 1050), while I have loaded over 1/4 million rounds on my Stars without breaking a single part.

Dillon was the first company to seriously address the individual consumer (non-commercial) market for progressive presses, and did it well enough to establish themselves as the dominant player in that market. However, they have NOT corrected the design flaws inherent in their machines, and every commercial loader who uses a 1050 will tell you the same thing.

Mark 7 is owned and operated by SERIOUS competition shooters and they made their reputation building the best autodrives out there for Dillon presses. To my eye the Evolution press corrects EVERY problem in the 1050, and I've decided to jump.

Here's the owner of the company showing the new line of presses at the 2018 SHOT Show last January. I was VERY impressed by the smoothness of operation demonstrated by these units.



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These are very nice, but the price. Yes you get what you pay for. One day I might move up to one, but my two dillon 550 work. Yes the dillon can have problems and sometimes you can not get them to run good for any distance. My first dillon I got in the mid 80. It has been a bear sometimes to get a long run without a problem coming up. But after many free replacement parts and several aftermarket parts I can do long runs without problems.
 
Dang. <Drool> o_O

I have seen a few ads in magazines like Front Sight, but to see it in action in the Shot Show video? Wow.
 
For my needs, I could not justify the expense. Seriously cool though, and I imagine there are folks who have the need.
 
Me, too. It took me six years to amortize my S1050.

Mine has had no breakages but Mr Ross is otherwise right. The powder measure is tedious to adjust and primer handling is worse. It is ok now but I don't mess with it. It was a bear to adjust (phooey on "ready to run" advertising) and I would fear changing sizes. My old CH straight line Autochamp has a better primer feed.

A friend managed the powder measure. When he arrived at a load he liked but wanted to change, he removed the bar, scribed a mark across bar and "slug" and tagged it with the load. Insert a new bar and work on the next load.

By the way, John, I STILL miss 'Ross in Range' columns.
 
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ONe thing I noticed is that the case feeder looks exactly like a Hornady case feeder, which a alot of people crap all over. So how is it this commercial style auto reloader uses a case feeder a bunch of people say, including me, is not reliable enough for any mechanized duty?
 
I have no experience with the Hornady case feeder but I have several early Dillon (all metal) case feeders and they'll work with anything. I have no qualms about the case feeder on the Evolution being any kind of a problem that I can't correct. Making a good case feeder isn't rocket science.

OTOH the Hornady BULLET feeder is problematic and the Mr. Bulletfeeder design (especially the drop die) used on the Evolution is a superior piece of engineering.

It is my hope to have the country's first Evolution Pro set up and running in .500 S&W Magnum, possibly before the end of summer.
 
The Evolution Pro is about $5k and the basic Evolution is about $2750

Those are going to sell like hotcakes.
Meaning like most of us, we will never see one outside of online videos. Awesome machine, though.
 
Me, too. It took me six years to amortize my S1050.

Mine has had no breakages but Mr Ross is otherwise right. The powder measure is tedious to adjust and primer handling is worse. It is ok now but I don't mess with it. It was a bear to adjust (phooey on "ready to run" advertising) and I would fear changing sizes. My old CH straight line Autochamp has a better primer feed.

A friend managed the powder measure. When he arrived at a load he liked but wanted to change, he removed the bar, scribed a mark across bar and "slug" and tagged it with the load. Insert a new bar and work on the next load.

By the way, John, I STILL miss 'Ross in Range' columns.

I can see how the linear slide primer feeder on the 1050 could be problematic (I have never used a 1050). My 650 uses a rotary revolving primer feeder that has never given me a problem.

After a thousand rounds of 9mm or 45 acp my Dillon powder measures throw pretty much exactly what I set them for when I started. Those are the only two munitions that I load in any where near 1000 round quantities in one sitting. I have never had a problem with repeatablity on my other 5 powder measures either... if using a measure friendly powder. Are you guys having repeatablity problems with the Dillon powder measures? Or is the problem returning to a previous charge setting after making a change? I will definitely admit that my Dillon powder measures do not handle stick powders well at all. Ball and flake powders repeat very well for handgun calibers. Varget does a good job for me through the Dillon measures but the IMR stick rifle powders did always give me the highest charge to charge variance. Are there other powder feeders out there that do a better job of throwing repeatable charges with stick powders?

I guess I am a Dillon fan boy... but I always like to know the types of issues others have experienced and if there is anything better out there? I have always looked at the 1050 presses with envy but it sounds like they have more issues than I was aware of. I guess the 650 is a pretty good fit for me as far as price, performance, reliability and level of automation... but I only have to feed my own shooting addiction and no one else's.

The Mark 7 presses do look very cool... but I guess they are much too pricey to justify for my needs.
 
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"The Mark 7 presses do look very cool... but I guess they are much too pricey to justify for my needs."

needs are relative. Most of the stuff I have I technically dont need. I dont need an Evolution at all but will probably get one with the priming system upgrade anyway in the next few months.
 
Just got off the phone with Dan at Mark 7. He was calling to thank me for putting out my video. I asked him some questions and told him I would be passing along his answers to the public if that was okay. Here is what he told me.

1. I will have the first Evolution tool set up in .500 S&W Magnum. Yay! Of considerably greater interest to everyone else, he also told me that

2. 60-some Revolution tools (that's the $9500 commercial press) have been shipped so far since December 2017, and they are building and shipping 6-10 of these per week at the present time.

3. There have been pre-orders from individuals for 200+ Evolution presses, and mine is in the middle of that batch. Dan didn't know how many Evolution presses had been ordered by dealers, but said it was less than the individual buyer orders. They expect to start building the Evolution presses next week, and expect to have finished filling their dealer orders around mid-May, which is when presses for individuals will start shipping.

4. Hornady powder measures are shown on the demo photos, but the production Evolution presses have a measure of Mark 7's own design, that specifically addresses the particular needs of a powder delivery system that is run at high production rates, such as dwell time (to avoid powder still dropping from the measure as the die is moving away from the case) and other factors.

5. Mark 7 holds multiple patents on its products. Dan said I was correct in my assessment that there are no patent conflicts with any existing reloading tool manufacturers.

6. Shellplates for .38/.357 exist right now, with many others to follow.
 
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Just talked to the factory. Most of the crew left for the NRA Convention this morning. Evolution presses are still waiting on a few parts and they say they will start shipping this month (May.)
 
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