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The fact that the 92 is not chambered for the .444 or .450 is due to it's physical size, not it's strength. The large-action design equivalent to the 92 is the Winchester 1986, an extremely strong action.
Marlin 1894C (chambered 357 magnum)
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Definitely consider the Puma/Rossi M92. I really like mine in .44 mag. the only con to this rifle IMO are the sights, but that is easily remedied for about $30.
Not saying the 92 is weak, just that there's no reason to believe it's stronger than the Marlin.
I'd say choose the one you like. A big plus in favor of the Puma is that it's made in Stainless Steel, and the 92 is a great handling carbine -- I've shot an original or two, and there's a lot to be said for a gun that works like new, after a century of use, by real cowboys.
OTOH an action that doesn't invite dirt or rain, ease of cleaning and a wide variety of sight options favor the US-made Marlin design. Also, if it's got a problem, Marlin will fix it, here in the US.
I'd say choose the one you like. A big plus in favor of the Puma is that it's made in Stainless Steel, and the 92 is a great handling carbine -- I've shot an original or two, and there's a lot to be said for a gun that works like new, after a century of use, by real cowboys.
OTOH an action that doesn't invite dirt or rain, ease of cleaning and a wide variety of sight options favor the US-made Marlin design. Also, if it's got a problem, Marlin will fix it, here in the US.
Leaver guns rock i have Winchester 94 30/30 with a Williams FP aperture rear sight and front fire sight. With these sights my 30/30 is a precision interment. Having a multi purpose carbine companion rifle would be sweet. I would find a winchester or Marlin and put on a set of FP sights. These rifles are pre drilled for these sights.
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Your talking about a different action all together. Eeveryone is comparing the 92 winchester to the 94 marlin. Your talking about the 1895 marlin. Its a totally different animal.
I like marlins but have never been a fan of the 94 marlin. I don't like the way they feel or look. I have a Navy Arms 1892 in 357 and it is a fine shooting gun. I wouldn't trade it for a slicked up 94cb any day of the week.
ArnoldSKS
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Thanks to everyone, I have decided on the Marlin 1894c, a local gun shop has one for $539.00 and I put a deposit down on it today.
I'm so excited, I'll keep you guys informed and send photo's next from da range
I'm so excited, I'll keep you guys informed and send photo's next from da rangeWolfgang2000
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I think you will be happy. We have his and hers Marlin 357 carbines. They are really fun guns to shoot. I had a 44 1894 but found the recoil stiffer than my 308 tanker grand. It was "bad", just stiffer.
The 357 is one of those guns that make you sorry you ran out of ammo.
Now with Remington owning Marlin, who know how long Marlin will be around. They have already shut down H&R / New England.
The 357 is one of those guns that make you sorry you ran out of ammo.
Now with Remington owning Marlin, who know how long Marlin will be around. They have already shut down H&R / New England.
There's a typo here...
Here, let me fix that for you...
That's more like it.
Seriously, my 1894C eats ammo at a frightening pace... Every time I shoot the darned thing empty, it reaches into my shell box and fills itself up again.
With .38s, the great thing is that it shoots like a big .22... the bad things is that it eats ammo like a big .22.
Love that little gun.
--Shannon
Here, let me fix that for you...
That's more like it.
Seriously, my 1894C eats ammo at a frightening pace... Every time I shoot the darned thing empty, it reaches into my shell box and fills itself up again.
With .38s, the great thing is that it shoots like a big .22... the bad things is that it eats ammo like a big .22.
Love that little gun.
--Shannon
ArnoldSKS
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Thanks,
I well see on Tuesday, that's when I'm going to pick it up
I well see on Tuesday, that's when I'm going to pick it up
32winspl
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Arnold, this is my opinion and nothing more, but If I'm going to go to the trouble of carting 7 or more pounds of rifle around, it will be chambered for a rifle round. A rifle is going to cost you X dollars regardless of what it's chambered for. Why not broaden your capabilities? Why be wedded to only one cartridge? A lot of people do this, but I've never understood why. Any 30-30 in a rifle will FAR exceed the capabilities of the hottest .357 mag.
I'm sure not pounding on you, I just don't get it.
I'm sure not pounding on you, I just don't get it.
chieftain
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Here is the ballistics from Buffalo bores' site:
5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
Note that at these velocities the 357 is approaching 30-30 energy and velocities. Doesn't leave a whole lot that his beautiful little carbine can't do or be used for. I wouldn't use it on ELK, Moose, Or Brown/Grizzly bear. But damn near everything else it is good to go on.
These velocities allow you to take up to Deer size game, and still be able to shoot 38spl's, which in my rifle is like shooting a BB gun. Really.
Best rifle buy on the planet.
Marlin 357 1894 CP is what I have, that is sort of like a guide rifle. 16" barrel with factory comp drilled into the end of the barrel. They stopped making them about 5 years ago.
I have about 27 rifles. This is probably my favorite. 10 rounds. I don't hunt much anymore for health reasons, but for shear fun, the 357 in a carbine is a lot of fun.
I haven't fired one but some folks have the Puma in 357 too.
Get one, it is a great rifle.
Good luck.
Fred
5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
Note that at these velocities the 357 is approaching 30-30 energy and velocities. Doesn't leave a whole lot that his beautiful little carbine can't do or be used for. I wouldn't use it on ELK, Moose, Or Brown/Grizzly bear. But damn near everything else it is good to go on.
These velocities allow you to take up to Deer size game, and still be able to shoot 38spl's, which in my rifle is like shooting a BB gun. Really.
Best rifle buy on the planet.
Marlin 357 1894 CP is what I have, that is sort of like a guide rifle. 16" barrel with factory comp drilled into the end of the barrel. They stopped making them about 5 years ago.
I have about 27 rifles. This is probably my favorite. 10 rounds. I don't hunt much anymore for health reasons, but for shear fun, the 357 in a carbine is a lot of fun.
I haven't fired one but some folks have the Puma in 357 too.
Get one, it is a great rifle.
Good luck.
Fred
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Commonality with handgun ammo, light, handy and FUN are the main selling points I keep seeing over and over when it comes up.
I have wanted one for quite awhile - still do. And I've got plenty of .38 Special laying around to feed one with. But they seem pretty spendy now; I wish I had got one a good 5 years or so ago.
I am thinking that most people considering the purchase probably have at least one true rifle round in the stable already. Can't speak for everyone, but in my case I would be mostly interested in just target shooting at 50 yards or less with relatively low recoil and noise. Wouldn't be interested in maxing it out to 30-30 power levels with hot ammo, though the option is nice. This gun would certainly fit the bill. But for the money I could just get another SKS (beater grade) and a case of ammo and call it a day. Plus have parts/backup to the SKS I already have. That's what my practical side is saying, but my levergun side tends to keep its foot in the door.
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Well, when we look at the data published by Buffalo Bore that's not exactly 100% certain. I really wonder what's going to happen now that the LeverEvolution stuff is out for .357 now. Should be exciting!
But there's some things the 30-30 can't do: Namely hold 9 cartridges in an 18" barrel configuration and deliver a .35 caliber hole upon impact.
I don't hunt, so I'm only concerned with a) plinking and b) home defense. The Marlin 1894C wins on both accounts in my book.
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I have a shooting buddy that has one of those. he doesn't hunt with it but it's accurate enough to use as a bush gun with the right ammo and good shot placement. I've shot it. a big + is the fast follow-up shot if needed. he loads some HOT loads for that carbine.
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take with a grain of salt...from someone that tried this last year: my input about the Marlin 1894C...I like the concept of having a matched set of handgun & carbine in th same caliber, so I chose .357 magnum since it is my favorite handgun caliber; concept & reality are 2 different things; I tried like hell to order the Buffalo Bore ammo 2 times thru my favorite shop...each time we waited 2 months with no ammo or feedback other than it's in the works...cancelled the order each time;
I thought about reloading specifically for the Marlin, but our camp's reloading stuff was spread among 2 or 3 guys and noone could agree on times to get together, so I was stuck with factory loaded ammo, which lacks the potential that the Buffalo Bore has...basically I was limited to 50 yard broadside shots which is not always achievable in the patches of thickets where we hunt;
then the screw post that retains the forearm on my rifle broke and allowed the forearm to freely move back and forth; when I tried to remove it, the screw head sheered off (a bad batch of steel I guess); while waiting for parts to be ordered to fix the beast, I rethought my concept and the difficulties I encountered (ordering hot rodded ammo, reloading difficulties, finding a good heavy factory load that actually fed...hardened semiwadcutter leadheads wouldn't go up the feeding ramp, so I had to settle for Federal American Eagle 158gr jsp since I was able to get a good supply to sight in both the carbine & revolver) & decided to just give up the dream and go back to an old perennial favorite that I had sold off...Marlin 336 in .30-30 (a sturdy lever action rifle for the ages in a readily available caliber with lots of proven results & no need to experiment or compromise on yardage or shooting conditions)
don't get me wrong, I enjoyed plinking like crazy with the 1894C, but it's hunting potential on medium sized game is limited when you hunt in their territory...choose your weapons well and understand their limits
I thought about reloading specifically for the Marlin, but our camp's reloading stuff was spread among 2 or 3 guys and noone could agree on times to get together, so I was stuck with factory loaded ammo, which lacks the potential that the Buffalo Bore has...basically I was limited to 50 yard broadside shots which is not always achievable in the patches of thickets where we hunt;
then the screw post that retains the forearm on my rifle broke and allowed the forearm to freely move back and forth; when I tried to remove it, the screw head sheered off (a bad batch of steel I guess); while waiting for parts to be ordered to fix the beast, I rethought my concept and the difficulties I encountered (ordering hot rodded ammo, reloading difficulties, finding a good heavy factory load that actually fed...hardened semiwadcutter leadheads wouldn't go up the feeding ramp, so I had to settle for Federal American Eagle 158gr jsp since I was able to get a good supply to sight in both the carbine & revolver) & decided to just give up the dream and go back to an old perennial favorite that I had sold off...Marlin 336 in .30-30 (a sturdy lever action rifle for the ages in a readily available caliber with lots of proven results & no need to experiment or compromise on yardage or shooting conditions)
don't get me wrong, I enjoyed plinking like crazy with the 1894C, but it's hunting potential on medium sized game is limited when you hunt in their territory...choose your weapons well and understand their limits
Hornady now makes LE ammo in .357, and Cabela's has all 3 Buffalo Bore .357 loads as well as the LE stuff in stock as I write this. They also have Fiocchi Extrema XTP ammo in .357. All of this is available mail-order.
Grizzly and Federal Fusion are currently out of stock.
The only concern I have is if I want to hunt where I'd have to use non-lead bullets. I'm not sure who loads .357 with Barnes bullets commercially, but Cabela's has the Barnes bullets if I want to handload them.
Now, you can buy 200 yard .30-30 ammo at the Wal-Mart down the street, so availability of hunting .357 ammo is not as good. But it's not currently prohibitive, either.
Grizzly and Federal Fusion are currently out of stock.
The only concern I have is if I want to hunt where I'd have to use non-lead bullets. I'm not sure who loads .357 with Barnes bullets commercially, but Cabela's has the Barnes bullets if I want to handload them.
Now, you can buy 200 yard .30-30 ammo at the Wal-Mart down the street, so availability of hunting .357 ammo is not as good. But it's not currently prohibitive, either.
ArnoldSKS
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Thanks guys, I well consider your suggestions, I just want to use it for a camp gun and occasionally hunt Boar or Deer. I well mainly use it for plinking and target shooting. My local gun store appears to have an endless supply and variety of 357 ammo. I just order several boxes of Buffalo Bore ammo for their web site(125gr, 158gr and 180gr.) The order said 3-5 delivery. I am dieing to try the Federal Fusion Ammo, but as you guys have said it's hard come by. I'll update you guy's on Tuesday.
. My local gun store appears to have an endless supply and variety of 357 ammo. I just order several boxes of Buffalo Bore ammo for their web site(125gr, 158gr and 180gr.) The order said 3-5 delivery. I am dieing to try the Federal Fusion Ammo, but as you guys have said it's hard come by. I'll update you guy's on Tuesday.Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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The .357 mag carbine is one of those "jack of all trades, master of none" weapons. Fine choice on the short list of "what if only one rifle"? This fact makes it neat. But since most of us can afford multiple rifles, all of a sudden the "master of none" plays more prominently than "jack of all trades".
It's probably the perfect rifle as the true "just one" rifle, meaning only rifle if you don't have ANY rimfire rifle. Then with .38 specials and light 110s, you've got a "little game" rimfire-style (general range of power), or with hyped up 180 grainers, you've got a fairly good large game rifle. Once you have a rimfire, then I can think of other rifles I'd rather have for the "2nd rifle/only centerfire" in the 2-rifle scenario. Again, just not relevant to us enthusiasts who will get multiple rifles to satisfy the niches we feel that we want to cover.
It's probably the perfect rifle as the true "just one" rifle, meaning only rifle if you don't have ANY rimfire rifle. Then with .38 specials and light 110s, you've got a "little game" rimfire-style (general range of power), or with hyped up 180 grainers, you've got a fairly good large game rifle. Once you have a rimfire, then I can think of other rifles I'd rather have for the "2nd rifle/only centerfire" in the 2-rifle scenario. Again, just not relevant to us enthusiasts who will get multiple rifles to satisfy the niches we feel that we want to cover.
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How true that is I also own an SKS and I love that thing but it's just to awkward to carry @ times. The Little Marlin is what I need and want in a camp gun.- Status
