Marlin 444T

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  1. TimM

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    I picked this little beauty up today (along with 150 rounds of ammo, 100 pieces of new brass, two boxes of bullets, and reloading dies). 444 Marlin with 16" barrel. I can't find any info on it. I pretty sure it's a rare rifle, does anybody know anything about it? Years of manufacture? How many were made?

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  2. dragon813gt

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    What brass and ammo do you have? If you aren't aware Hornady makes short brass. Just keep this on mind if that's what you have.

    People that have them seem to love them. You will find a lot of info about them on the Marlin Owners forum.
     
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    I'm not exactly sure what you mean by, " Just keep this on mind if that's what you have". What's the difference? I'm new to the 444, will it shoot both? I assume if there's a short brass then there's also long, or standard brass?
     
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    Your rifle will shoot both just fine. The difference is just enough to need to readjust your seating and crimp. Was shooting last week, will get shell specs.
     
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    More difference than I remembered.
    2.205" against 2.06" for the Hornady
     
  6. TimM

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    Thank you.
     
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    What does the "T" model mean? Never seen that designator before.
     
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    Me either. That is really what my question is about. I can't find any useful info on it and my gun dealer didn't have any info in his books about it either.
     
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    I guess maybe it could stand for Trapper? The 16" pistol caliber carbines are often called trapper models.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I don't think Marlin ever made the 444 with a 16" barrel. This one was probably cut down to be a "guide gun." Sweet looking setup!

    Take the first 2 numbers from the serial number, subtract that from 100...that's the date of manufacture. For example if the serial # was 28xxxxxxx, the year is 100-28=72 (1972)
     
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    It will shoot both like said above. But all loads listed in the manuals, except for ones for Hornady FTX bullets, use the standard length brass. Trim to length is 2.215.

    I should have been a little more clear. Hornady makes both standard length brass. As well as short brass for use w/ their FTX bullets. If you use short brass w/ standard length loads you are going to increase the pressure by a good bit. I like the short brass for reforming into other cases. Most people don't want them and can be picked up fairly cheap.
     
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    I've never seen, nor heard of one with a barrel that short from the factory. It may have been shortened.

    I have a friend who has one from the 1st year of production with that butt stock. His has a 24" barrel.

    You can look up the DOM here. Subtracting the 1st 2 digits from 100 only works on 1972 and newer guns. I'm betting this is a 1960's production.

    http://oldguns.net/sn_php/marlinlookup.php

    On the 336's with straight stocks and either 18 or 20" barrels (mostly 20") they were known as Texan models. Some early versions were stamped 336T. Most were just 336.

    They have made a few 336's with 16" barrels, the Mauraders from the 1960's and the LTS from the 1980's as well as a youth gun from a few years ago.

    The only big bores I've ever seen with barrels shorter than 22" were the guide guns.
     
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    the T stands for Texan, which to Marlin stood for straight grip carbine. Other Texan models don't have the raided comb like yours does , boy would I put a low powered scope on that so quick you wouldn't believe it. I have made up many hundred .444 loads and they are crazy strong with 300 grain bullets at 2100 FPS in the 22" barrel of mine. Any way yes that model scarce and commands more $ than say a 30-30 Texan . John Marlin prices are really rising these days and folks who don't want the :barf: new Marlins will gladly pay it. Yours would have been call a Maurader with a 16" barrel, and they never made a .444 Marauder . John Taffin talked of some modifacation back a fes years on his blog. I never heard of a 444 outfitter with 18 1/2" barrel either: http://www.sixguns.com/BookOfThe44/bot44c39.htm
     
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    The first years of production featured same twin barrel bands and raised comb. This rifle was produced with 24 inch barrel. But the lever was rounded and not squared off like this one.

    This is a very interesting carbine and probably one of a kind with this shorty barrel.

    Good hunting to you.

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    My guess is that this rifle is an early model 444T that originally came with a 24" barrel. For some reason Marlin thought that the 444 would be just the thing for long range shooting, hence the long barrel and Monte Carlo stock for a scope.

    The market soon convinced them that a lower stock and a shorter barrel would fit the character of the cartridge better. My guess is that somebody shortened the barrel since it was new.

    Here's a link to an old auction where a rifle very similar to yours is pictured with its original long barrel.

    http://www.gunauction.com/buy/6263438
     
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    That is one sweet rifle. I have a 444P model and always enjoyed that rifle. I hope the 444 cartridge brings you as much enjoyment shooting as mine has me. I used mine in West Virginia for deer. I had a nice Leupold 4X scope on it and eventually took the scope off. The P stands for Ported and while I am not fond of the porting it's OK. My barrel comes in at 18.5" making rifles like this just plain handy. You have yourself, as was mentioned, one sweet rifle, congratulations and enjoy it.

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    That's one sweet looking carbine! Enjoy!
     
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    that's a very nice rifle, enjoy it!
     
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    Leaning a gun against anything :what: ,nice gun I have the 444P,great shooters.
     
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    Awesome carbine! I've always liked the .444 Marlin. It really puts the hurt on hogs!

    Geno
     
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    Definitely looks like a 1st model rifle cut down. But it's done great! I would have bought it in a heartbeat.I don't know what you paid but just the components that came with it are worth a couple hundred bucks. Good grab.
     
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    Looks identical to my first model but with a much shorter barrel.
     
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    Thanks for all the info and comments. Here are some detailed photos of the gun. I measured the barrel, it's officially 16.25" long. It feels like there's been trigger work done, it's smooth and crisp and breaks right around 5lbs. The gun has also been duracoated. I think I'm really gonna like her. Can't wait to bust some hogs, and a deer or two.

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    It has a 1972 serial number.

    Gordon, Thanks for the link, that was very informative reading.

    I'm tossing that idea around but I'm probably gonna remove the Williams peep and put a Skinner on it. I have several lever actions and I just can't bring myself to scope them, for me personally it ruins the lines and the nostalgia.

    natman, thanks. It was nice to see it in it's original configuration.

    Reloadron, I grew up in WV, lived there for the first three and a half decades of my life. I go back every year to hunt.

    Elkins45, thanks. There's a lot of good info in that thread. I bookmarked it.
     
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  25. jmr40

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    If that is a 1972 gun the butt stock isn't from 1972. And the lever isn't from the 1960's. Having 444T stamped as the model number is making me think the barrel length may be factory.

    What ever it is, it is certainly different than any I've seen. I can't tell whether it is modified, or a very rare production rifle that was never cataloged. Either way it looks like a keeper.
     
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