Marlin 60 V.S. Marlin 795

[TyGuy]

I personally find the 10/22 controls a deal breaker. If only the 795 had the aftermarket support of the 10/22

 

[jimherb]

I have a Glenfield Model 60 (made by Marlin). It would shoot the eyes out of a gnat if I could see a gnat. I usually stuff 15 rounds down the tube. Seems more convienient to me. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Ar180shooter]

Then why did you post it? Oh you're saying my post is hogwash. Gotcha.

I guess I'm blind and I can't tell when my firing pin breaks and my gun won't shoot. I also can't tell when the LSHO doesn't work and that one rifle is more accurate than another. I also couldn't tell time so I didn't notice it took 10 months to get the second trigger guard that broke. I can't tell that a rifle that had 4 breakdowns that required new parts to fix in under a year is not as good as a rifle that went 20 years without ever breaking anything. The only problem that 20 year old rifle had was when I bent the ejector wire. I got it fixed by putting that part back in position using to the expensive gauge I got to fix it. It was made from pure nickel. In fact it was a nickel.

Go ahead and believe Marlin sells a $100 gun with the same parts (well 95% of the same parts anyway) as a gun that costs $160. Maybe the action looks similar but it is weaker in pretty much every way. I can take them apart and take photos to prove my point and I will do just that if you ask nice.


If that stuff is hogwash I'm guilty. What I'm not guilty of is being rude. Have a nice day.

Ok, I see you posted again and in a more civil manner.



The 60 has had a plastic tg for over 25 years. I couldn't say just how far back they go because I haven't seen one that old in a while.

And I have to clean my 795 about every 500 rounds or it will start failing to feed and eject on almost every round. I never cleaned my old 60 for 11 years and it never acted that way. I started cleaning it when it started to have feeding problems. I cleaned it once and waited another 7 years to clean it again.

Your theory is just that, a theory. My 795 jams far more often than my old 60 ever did or any 60 I ever had for that matter.

So your experience with that one rifle having reliability issues after 500 rounds or so determines build quality? Thanks for the info, but that is utter BS. The rifles are basically the same, but there has been a decrease in overall marlin quality over the past few years, so I have no doubt that your OLD model 60 is of better quality than your NEW 795, but of comparable vintage, quality is identical.

 

[Cee Zee]

They both have identical bolts, springs, and just about every other part - assuming you're talking a base-model 60.

Not true. I can prove it too.

The construction of the older models from Marlin is, without a doubt, superior to what was being produced at least through last year

Also not true. The new models are almost identical to the old ones and I can prove that too.

that is utter BS.

I really like the nice friendly folks here. I like being cursed for having an opinion. Really. It's so much fun when I prove them wrong.

OK it looks like I need to get out my old 60, my new 60 and the 795. First I'll prove that the old 60 and the new 60 have nearly identical parts but the new 60 has a heavier built action which generally means a better built action. The side walls of the action are clearly thicker on the new 60. Then I'll prove that the 795 does not have identical parts to the 60's despite what everyone seems to think.

Let's start with the differences between a 795 and a 60. Here let's look at the difference in the sidewall thickness of the action.

The top is from a 795. The bottom is from a 60. Notice the thickness of the sidewall of the action. The much stronger of the two is clearly the 60. But we're not done. Now let's look at some of the springs used in the two actions. The top example is from the 795 showing a very thin wire which means a very flimsy spring. Notice how thick and strong the same spring is on the 60.

One more photo from the 795 here. This piece doesn't even appear on the 60 action. That's my knife prying it out so you can see just how thin it is.

I think this makes it very clear that the 795 is not built anywhere near as solid as a 60. I doubt you will admit it but that doesn't change the facts. Don't expect me to stick around and play spank the monkey with you about this. I proved my point. That's enough.

Now for the question of whether new 60's are far worse than old 60's. Here's two actions from different 60's. One is from 1989. The other is from 2009. They are practically identical. There are minor differences but I'm not pointing them out. There are no differences like those between the 60 and the 795 shown above. It's not even close to being that obvious. And while one difference is an advantage for the old 60 another is an advantage for the new 60. And we haven't even discussed the triggers. Marlin improved their triggers a great deal just a few years ago. But clearly you don't know that. I do. At any rate see if you can pick which is the old 60 and which is the new 60.

One last thing and I'm gone. I was just accused of juding my 795 based on just "500 rounds or so". I have no idea where they got that figure. It wasn't from me. I've shot that rifle about 15,000 - 20,000 rounds. I love it. I might shoot it more than any rifle I own. But it is not as good as a 60 in terms of absolute quality and that goes for my old 60 and my new one (which are not different in the level of their quality in any way). It is lighter and a lot of fun to shoot and that means a lot. And I have both a new 60 and an old 60. They are practically identical but my new one is far more accurate for whatever reason.

Have a nice day people. And a hearty "BS" to you too. But have a nice day, seriously. I think maybe you could use one. I know I could.

 

[CraigC]

Nice!

I thought the 60 and 795 were the same too until I actually looked at them. I discovered quickly there were very good reasons for the price difference.

 

[Cee Zee]

Thanks Craig. I'm glad someone appreciated how long I worked on this "BS". I spent half the morning just taking the photos. It wasn't worth it for sure. But being the hard headed hillbilly idjit that I am well here it is. The design of the two is similar but there are significant differences in how well it's executed. If people spent two minutes looking at both actions they would know they are different but people would rather read it on the web and argue it to the death with someone who clearly has both and can look when he wants to. Makes sense to me - wait a minute - no it doesn't.

 

[Recon Ron]

Cee Zee Post 16 second paragraph from the bottom is when you stated 500 rounds.



Just an observer.


BTW thank you for the pictures of those actions.

 

[Cee Zee]

OK Ron. Thanks for the heads up. That was me saying I had to clean the rifle every 500 rounds. I didn't say I had only shot it 500 rounds. But you're right that they probably got the whole 500 rounds thing there. People don't read what you actually write on these boards. They only want to hear what they already believe most of the time. Oh well. I guess being human beats being a skunk even though nobody messes with a skunk!

 

[CraigC]

Sometimes you have to provide pictures to illustrate your point to those too hardheaded to accept the facts. Even so, some folks will still argue with you. `Tis the nature of the beast.

 

[Cee Zee]

LOL it's true. I told them I didn't expect them to believe it despite actual evidence. It's the internet after all. Most people could care less about facts.

 

[Recon Ron]

Remember their buddies, friends, uncle's, son was a SEAL and he said they were the same action.

Why would they trust you?

 

[Cee Zee]

Exactly! I could end up not trusting myself here. Who am I going to believe? My own lying eyes or a bona fide expert????

 

[heeler]

If I am using the Marlin for hunting or plinking I dont mind the tubular fed magazine at all.
However at a strict gun range having to deal with unloading it during the cease fire is a pain as well as dealing with one of the ever present kid range masters that are giving me the hard eye.
At those times I really prefer the detachable magazine.
Thusly, I recently bought a 10/22.
Sold my old Marlin 60 but I still have one that was given to me as a gift in 1992 that has had exactly one box(50 rounds) put through it in all those years.
Yea I know..Safe queen.