Marlin 795 (22LR semi-auto)

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Good gawd Craig. Please stop being so belligerent and refer to others who have differing opinions than you as being neophytes or "obviously <sic> lack experience" or worst. BTW, my reference to tacticool 10/22 and less accuracy was an attempt at self-deprecating humor. I did spend around $300 on black crap for one of my 10/22's and all it did was make it look bad-*** and throw accuracy out the window.

As many on this forum will know from my posts, I'm one of those people who believes in the "2 is one and 1 is none" philosophy. Although I am not a big bore rifle guy, I do like 22LR rifles and I have 4 Ruger 10/22's and a BUNCH of Marlin 60's, a 81DL, a 25N, and now a 795. I can state as a matter of fact that every one of the Marlins out shoot the Ruger 10/22's whether stock or modified. I haven't tested it out the 795 yet, but I'm pretty certain that it will out shoot the stock 10/22.

I've read many of your posts, and believe it or not - I respect much of your knowledge, but whenever the subject of 10/22's come up..."good gawd" is all I can say. :confused:
 
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!

If anybody says "group hug," I'm outta here... :uhoh:

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Seriously, Marlin/Ruger, Coke/Pepsi, Ford/Chevy, Mac/PC, revolver/semi-auto, 9mm/.40... There is no end to it. Everybody says their piece and moves on.

Anybody wanna talk about .22LR for self-defense? :D
 
I bought a great 1022, in 1978. at Otasco. Walnut stock, aluminum furniture.
Trigger sucked less than any 1022 I have had since, 5 I think. Least sucky trigger was worked over by my brother . good trigger. 1022 has never since the 60s been more accurate than than a model 60. period.:scrutiny: Microgruv .
 
Good gawd Craig.
Good point, Allusion - for real!
Seriously, Craig, try switching to decaf or something. :)

It would help you to state simply that you are a Ruger guy. I'm a Marlin guy. We both own both. We've both shot several models of each. State why and be done with it, man.

You notice that myself, and many other Marlin fanboys will state the facts, state our observations and be done with it. If I harbored ill will or something, it would be easy to point out three or four serious flaws in your argument and tie them to a personal attack - but that kind of stuff is not polite, does not help other readers of the post, and is certainly against the rules here. After all, the name of this place is "The High Road."

Also, when you make the personal attacks, you do no favors for your arguments and opinions of Rugers, Appleseed, or whatever else you are in favor of.

Sorry to be off topic, but I can't stand to see perfectly good threads derailed with such antic and drivel.
 
Craig, I read another thread where you talk down to Usagi. Just give it up. You seem to chase him around. It gets old. Let's all respect each others opinions and move on with our lives! You like Ruger and he likes Marlin. GREAT!

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!


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GROUP HUG! :p
 
I'll say that being able to constantly and consistently shoot small potatoes at 100 yards with my Model 60 and a $30 Simmons scope is worth more to me than any $1400 .22LR. I can consistently shoot quarter size groups or less @ 100 yards. This is with Winchester .22 LR X-Pert big box ammo.
I have buddies who have spent $600 on 10/22s only to be out shot by me every time at the range.
You oughta hear the excuses from them. It is just embarrassing..
 
I just picked a 795 from Dicks Sporting Goods for 130.00 less than a week ago. I went back to the store and they had it on sale for 99.00. They gave me the difference in price and after they handed me the money they said they made a mistake and that the 99.00 price was after the rebate. With the mistake and rebate I got the rifle for 75.00. It is a great rifle at that price.
 
Jeff56, I was going to do the same thing at Dicks. After I recevied the difference in price I was going to go back to the gun counter to buy another 795. I had a coupon for $20 off a hundred dollar purchase, with no firearm exclusion wording. I was going to buy the second 795 for my Grandfather, use the coupon and the rebate, have the rebate sent to his house, total price would have been $55 just like yours. However right after they handed me the money they informed me of the mistake and the gig was up.
 
HMMMMMM lets see. I have not shot a 795 but have owned and shot 60's along with 10/22. Marlin's you open the box load and shoot. No problem. Ruger's open the box, replace barrel, trigger, hammer, bolt and sights or add scope and then claim it will out shoot a marlin. Marlin wins hands down because you don't need a huge aftermarket to keep on going like a Ruger does.
 
Well, you guys let me know when you want to stop taking potshots from a distance and actually have an in-depth discussion pertaining to all the details of your 10/22 builds. I hear a lot of background noise but nothing of any substance.

I find it very interesting that YOU cast the first stone, calling out the 10/22 shooters with this: "I really hope that this gun makes more and more 10/22 guys begin to second guess their pimped out semi-accurate $900.00+ blingy-blings" and "Q). How do you get a $230.00 Ruger 10/22 to shoot better than a hundred dollar Marlin 795? A). Put another six hundred bucks into it...." and then sidestep every serious comment following with snide nonsense.

So do you have anything to add to the actual discussion or are you just a troll??? Maybe you can start by explaining how a hundred dollar 795 somehow magically gets around what would be the commonly accepted recipe for an accurate rifle. Namely, match grade barrels with match chambers (both of which cost money), crisp light triggers (not cheap either) and a stable platform.
 
The reason Marlin does so well with their much cheaper barrels is the Micro Groove technique they invented a long time ago.
I totally concede on the point that out of the box, Marlins tend to shoot more accurate than Rugers and always have. What I take issue with, because it's never presented with details of ANY kind, is the notion that a Ruger with an aftermarket barrel will only shoot "as good", or "decent" compared to the Marlin. Yes, if you put a cheap barrel on the Ruger, you will probably not see any improvement. These are marketed to folks who think that just because it's a "heavy barrel" that it will automatically shoot better. You simply can't lump all aftermarket barrels together and I take this personally because I know what a good barrel will do but they don't cost $79.99. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and don't do this stuff because it looks cool. You put a Clark, KIDD, Shilen or Lilja barrel on a Ruger and it will outshoot most boltguns.

See my point? This is why I think it is so ludicrous to say that a Ruger you dump $600 into will only shoot "just as good" as a $100 Marlin. Which is to say that factory Marlin barrels are "just as good" as Shilen or Lilja. That a spongy, 6lb Marlin trigger is "just as good" as a crisp, all CNC machined 14oz two stage KIDD trigger. That a factory Marlin bolt is "just as good" as one that has been tuned and trued, with minimum headspace. I'd wager that 99% of those folks making those comments have never even been in the same room as a 10/22 with a good barrel. Let alone actually shot or owned one. Yes, I'm calling out El Mariachi, okiewita40, Onward Allusion and Usagi.

Ruger doesn't make bad barrels, they just cut sloppy chambers. As I've said many times before, a factory Ruger barrel that has been set back, rechambered and recrowned will yield a substantial improvement. In all honesty, it will shoot at least as good as those cheap aftermarket barrels, if not better.
 
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You'll always have to spend more to get a semi-auto to shoot well compared to a boltgun. Figure on spending as much as double. So my $800 10/22 does shoot better than my Remington 541T, Savage MKII and CZ 452. What would be considered $400 boltguns, or at least the Remington was when it was new. They will almost never shoot as well as a boltgun of equal cost but they can be amazingly accurate.
 
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