RedneckUF
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I rambled sufficiently in this post, so please scroll down to ******* if you don't want to read my rambling.
The only thing I ask is that you keep all responses semi-intelligent and on point. I am very interested in the matter and don't want a thread hi-jacked. Thanks.
I have a question for each of you and i am interested to hear your response.
I hope this hasn't been posted before, and I was not sure whether to post it in general gun discussion or activism, but since this issue has so many legal aspects to it, I figured it best to go here.
This question is meant to be an equivalent to the NOLA incident.
I have lived in florida my entire life. Now, living in St. Petersburg because I go to school here, I can easily imagine something like this happening. For those of you that may not know, Pinellas county is a peninsula which has Tampa bay to the east and South/east and the Gulf of Mexico to the West and Southwest. Average hieght above sea level is something like anywhere between 8-70 feet in places, so not very high at all and would easily flood in many places.
If we had a large hurricane here, it could devastate the area. Pinellas county is the most densely populated county in florida. We have an incredible lack of evacuation routes, and a vast majority of residents are retirees from up north and are elderly (in fact, most are shocked to hear that I am a florida native). Many people might stay here if a hurricane came through.
If I decided to stay, which is highly unlikely, I could see something like what happened in NOLA happen here. A state of Martial Law, per se. The police (there are many, many agencies here, most of which are small and most likely not equipped to handle a major disaster) might come door to door and try to retrieve firearms like in NOLA. I am reminded of the video of the older lady that had something like a little 22 revolver or something and like 5 police tackler her and take the gun away from her. Disgusting.
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Here is my question:
If police and/or gov't officials and/or nat'l guard/military, in a martial law situation, came to your door, like in NOLA, and DEMANDED you turn over your firearms, would you do it?
If you wouldn't turn them over, and the gov't proceeded to enter your house to search for firearms, like it did in NOLA, would you defend with force?
I could/would not defend against the gov't with force.
First of all, you simply wouldn't win. Secondly, you would be thrown in jail likely, beaten for resisting, or shot for using force.
I believe these situations are EXACTLY what the founding fathers had in mind. Using arms to defend against gov't tyranny. I believe the taking of arms from everyday law-abiding citizens is what the second amendment is there for. I think it is tyranny for the gov't to demand arms in a situation like this. The counter-argument is in that situation, the law says to hand over your guns, so by not handing them over, you are breaking the law. It is basically a catch 22.
In fact, in Florida, when a state of emergency is declared, for all intents and purposes, your CCP becomes null and void. You can't even buy ammo. "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."
So I ask again, If you wouldn't turn them over, and the gov't proceeded to enter your house to search for firearms, like it did in NOLA, would you defend with force?
The only thing I ask is that you keep all responses semi-intelligent and on point. I am very interested in the matter and don't want a thread hi-jacked. Thanks.
I have a question for each of you and i am interested to hear your response.
I hope this hasn't been posted before, and I was not sure whether to post it in general gun discussion or activism, but since this issue has so many legal aspects to it, I figured it best to go here.
This question is meant to be an equivalent to the NOLA incident.
I have lived in florida my entire life. Now, living in St. Petersburg because I go to school here, I can easily imagine something like this happening. For those of you that may not know, Pinellas county is a peninsula which has Tampa bay to the east and South/east and the Gulf of Mexico to the West and Southwest. Average hieght above sea level is something like anywhere between 8-70 feet in places, so not very high at all and would easily flood in many places.
If we had a large hurricane here, it could devastate the area. Pinellas county is the most densely populated county in florida. We have an incredible lack of evacuation routes, and a vast majority of residents are retirees from up north and are elderly (in fact, most are shocked to hear that I am a florida native). Many people might stay here if a hurricane came through.
If I decided to stay, which is highly unlikely, I could see something like what happened in NOLA happen here. A state of Martial Law, per se. The police (there are many, many agencies here, most of which are small and most likely not equipped to handle a major disaster) might come door to door and try to retrieve firearms like in NOLA. I am reminded of the video of the older lady that had something like a little 22 revolver or something and like 5 police tackler her and take the gun away from her. Disgusting.
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Here is my question:
If police and/or gov't officials and/or nat'l guard/military, in a martial law situation, came to your door, like in NOLA, and DEMANDED you turn over your firearms, would you do it?
If you wouldn't turn them over, and the gov't proceeded to enter your house to search for firearms, like it did in NOLA, would you defend with force?
I could/would not defend against the gov't with force.
First of all, you simply wouldn't win. Secondly, you would be thrown in jail likely, beaten for resisting, or shot for using force.
I believe these situations are EXACTLY what the founding fathers had in mind. Using arms to defend against gov't tyranny. I believe the taking of arms from everyday law-abiding citizens is what the second amendment is there for. I think it is tyranny for the gov't to demand arms in a situation like this. The counter-argument is in that situation, the law says to hand over your guns, so by not handing them over, you are breaking the law. It is basically a catch 22.
In fact, in Florida, when a state of emergency is declared, for all intents and purposes, your CCP becomes null and void. You can't even buy ammo. "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."
So I ask again, If you wouldn't turn them over, and the gov't proceeded to enter your house to search for firearms, like it did in NOLA, would you defend with force?
