Maryland: rifle in trunk?

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I believe it's legal in Maryland to drive around with an "unloaded" rifle in the trunk of my car, more or less when and where I please. What I'm having difficulty resolving is the actual meaning of "unloaded." On the face of it, unloaded could mean that I have a magazine loaded with 9mm cartridges sitting right next to a PC-9 carbine, for example. I doubt a police officer searching my trunk would see it that way, but in this case the carbine is literally unloaded.

I'm actually not interested in being a legal guinea pig in the above scenario. I'm just interested in *exactly*, *legally*, what "unloaded" means. What if I left the unloaded PC-9 in the trunk, but kept a loaded magazine or two in the glove box? A friend of mine seems to recall some MD regulation pertaining to hunting -- though potentially applicable to a non hunter -- stating that a loaded magazine constituted a loaded gun, so long as the gun and magazine were in the same vehicle. He can't find evidence of that regulation online, but insists he's not making it up.

Can someone help me get to the bottom of the "unloaded" mystery? I've searched the online version of the Maryland Code, and mainly there's just a lot of information pertaining to handguns there. The NRAILA website is where I read that transporting a rifle is OK as long as it's "unloaded" and in the trunk.
 
Rifle and the empty magazine can be stored together, ammunition in a different container at the other end of the vehicle. I recall the MSP suggesting a pump-action shotgun in the trunk with a box of shells in the center console. You cannot have rounds in the firearm, or in a detachable magazine (since MD law doesnt distinguish between a non-removable magazine and a removable one).

Kharn
 
In MD you cannot transport ANY firearm unless it is to and from the range, home from the gunstore, or to and from a gunsmith. Even stopping to use a public bathroom, buy gas, or even going through a McDonalds drive through is a crime. That is with ANY firearm, including a rifle. You certainly cannot drive around with an unloaded rifle in your trunk in MD.

As for what constitutes a "loaded gun" under MD law, that would be any loaded gun OR mag. The gun must be locked in your truck (or in a locked container in the luggage area of your vehicle if you drive an SUV or station wagon), the ammo in storage containers (like a box) in your passenger area. Loaded speed loaders for a revolver or for a tube mag are also considered a loaded gun. I'm pretty sure that a loaded mag in a car that doesn't even contain a gun would constitute a "loaded gun" in the state of MD.
 
You certainly cannot drive around with an unloaded rifle in your trunk in MD.
You mean loaded? I thought MD was OK to openly carry a rifle.
 
Chaim...

I looked through MD statutes pretty carefully about a year ago and did not find any "to or from" requirements for "normal" unloaded longarms.

Can you cite the prohibition?
 
Well, I was looking at the laws posted on the MD state law site and it does appear that the strict laws I was citing are only for handguns. However, my statements came from far more than gunshop/forum "commandos". A few years ago I called and asked the firearms division of the MD State Police and was told this was the law. So, even if not the black letter law, certainly the police think it is and will arrest you. Whether someone carrying a rifle around would win in court I don't know since I don't have easy access to court decisions to see if there is any precedent either way. Personally, I don't think I'd want to be the one to test it.
 
Don't try it! (unless you have $$$ for a lawyer)

I believe it's legal in Maryland to drive around with an "unloaded" rifle in the trunk of my car, more or less when and where I please. What I'm having difficulty resolving is the actual meaning of "unloaded." On the face of it, unloaded could mean that I have a magazine loaded with 9mm cartridges sitting right next to a PC-9 carbine, for example. I doubt a police officer searching my trunk would see it that way, but in this case the carbine is literally unloaded.

I looked into this, too, before I moved here. What you suggest happens to be perfectly A-OK in a place like Virginia, but a "Gray Area":uhoh: in MD. I am not a MD lawyer, just some guy who tried to read up on this stuff. I tried NOT ask the LEO community anything because, in my experience in VA, LEO's may mean well but technical legal/factual details are beyond their expertise. What they say is great to hear, but is not binding on any court (good or bad for you).

Here is the rundown:

The "to/from range only" law does specify it only applies to handguns, since it is so stated in the "Handgun Law." (§ 4-203. Wearing, carrying, or transporting handgun, (b) Exceptions, (4))

http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=MDC-1000 (look under "Criminal Law/Weapons Crimes/ Handguns/s 4-203 Wearing, carrying, etc.")

(paraphrase law = handguns in public are banned, except . . .)(4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

The "unloaded handgun magazine 'law'" seems to come from the common practice of LEO interpretation of the handgun law, which actually only says the handgun is to be "unloaded." My Lexis search of MD case law shows no appellate rulings on whether "unloaded" means no ammo in magazines. I would not want to be the guy to run this issue past MD courts, which gleefully proclaim that they get to "read into" the law to determine what the "true meaning" of the statutes are beyond what's simply in the text. Since the MD courts have said the purpose of the handgun permit system is to "protect people from themselves" :rolleyes: by keeping them from having loaded guns handy during possible future acquantance quarrels, and places like GA have statutes stating that loaded handgun magazines = loaded handguns, your chances may not be good in beating a charge of "improper transport." According to a contact at Tripwire, at least one person somewhere in MD had been charged for having a loaded magazine during an otherwise OK transport, but the trial judge didn't buy the prosecution's loaded magazine argument (I couldn't get any more details).


The "unloaded (rifle) magazine" law comes from a Fish & Game law that says that all shotguns/handguns must be unloaded during transport, rifles unloaded "to include the magazine." I emailed the DNR about whether this applies to detachable magazines, and the unknown email reply's author said that it only applied to internal fixed magazines. (§ 10-410. Restrictions on hunting wildlife generally, (c) Hunting From Vehicles.)

http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=MDC-1000 (look under "Natural Resources/Wildlife/Hunting Restrictions-In General/s 10-410. General restrictions")

c) Hunting from vehicles.-

(1) A person may not shoot at any species of wildlife from an automobile or other vehicle or, except as provided in § 4-203(b) of the Criminal Law Article and Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article, possess in or on an automobile or other vehicle a loaded handgun or shotgun, or a rifle containing any ammunition in the magazine or chamber.

(2) If this subsection is violated by an occupant of a vehicle which has 2 or more occupants and it cannot be determined which occupant is the violator, the owner of the vehicle, if present, shall be presumed to be responsible for the violation. In the absence of the owner of the vehicle, the operator of the vehicle shall be presumed to be responsible for the violation.

(3) Provisions of this subsection do not apply to a disabled person who obtains a special permit under § 10-307 of this title.

MD also has a mild preemption law that bars counties/cities from regulating firearm and ammo sales or transport, except pertaining to children, or within 100 yards of parks, schools, "and other places of public assembly." MoCo helpfully then banned firearms within 100 yards of these types of places unless cased and being transported in a car trunk on a public road.:rolleyes:

http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=MDC-1000 (look under "Criminal Law/Weapons Crimes/ Handguns/s 4-209")


§ 4-209. Regulation of weapons and ammunition

State preemption

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, the State preempts the right of a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district to regulate the purchase, sale, taxation, transfer, manufacture, repair, ownership, possession, and transportation of:

(1) a handgun, rifle, or shotgun; and

(2) ammunition for and components of a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.


Exceptions

(b)(1) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may regulate the purchase, sale, transfer, ownership, possession, and transportation of the items listed in subsection (a) of this section:

(i) with respect to minors;

(ii) with respect to law enforcement officials of the subdivision; and

(iii) except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, within 100 yards of or in a park, church, school, public building, and other place of public assembly.


(2) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may not prohibit the teaching of or training in firearms safety, or other educational or sporting use of the items listed in subsection (a) of this section.

Preexisting local laws

(c) To the extent that a local law does not create an inconsistency with this section or expand existing regulatory control, a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may exercise its existing authority to amend any local law that existed on or before December 31, 1984.

Discharge of firearms

(d)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, in accordance with law, a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may regulate the discharge of handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

(2) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may not prohibit the discharge of firearms at established ranges.

There's some info in the MoCo Code on the transport/possession issue that may be the source of the "loaded magazine = loaded gun" thinking among LEO's:

http://www.amlegal.com/montgomery_county_md/

Sec. 57-10. Keeping guns on person or in vehicles.

It shall be unlawful for any person to have upon his person, concealed or exposed, or in a motor vehicle where it is readily available for use, any gun designed to use explosive ammunition unless:

(a) Lawful mission. Such person is then engaged upon a lawful mission for which it is necessary to carry a gun upon his person; or

(b) Special guard, special police, etc. Such person is employed as a special guard, special police officer or special detective and has been lawfully deputized by the sheriff for the county, or has been appointed a constable in the county, or has been licensed under the laws of the state, should such a law be enacted, to carry such gun and then is on or in the immediate vicinity of the premises of any employer whose occupation lawfully requires the employment of a person carrying a gun while in the discharge of the duties of such employment; or

(c) Military service. Such person is then lawfully engaged in military service or as a duly authorized peace officer; or

(d) Hunting, target practice, etc. Such person is engaged in lawful hunting, drill, training or target practice on property of which he is the owner or lessee or on property with the prior permission of the owner or lessee thereof; or

(e) Going to or returning from hunting, target practice, etc. Such person is engaged in going to or from lawful hunting, drill training or target practice, or in delivering such gun to or carrying it from a gunsmith or repairman, or is engaged in any other lawful transfer of possession; provided, that such person shall be on or traveling upon a public highway or property of which he is the owner or lessee or on property with the prior permission of the owner or lessee thereof; provided further, that such gun shall not be loaded with explosive ammunition. (1981 L.M.C., ch. 42, § 1; 2001 L.M.C., ch. 11, § 1.)

I'm done dragging this thread out, but there is more in the MoCo Code on child safety locks, the "100 yard" ban, and MoCo's attempt at registering ammo sales in the county before the MD courts slapped them down due to the preemption law.
 
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I had always thought that MD was looser with rifles, even permitting open carry (barring dusturbing the peace, of course). Since a magazine may count as a gun, it seems to me that a lever gun in the trunk and ammo in the console might be the best you could do.

I haven't lived there for 20 years, but I have family there and try to keep up with the laws.
 
Two distinct issues, what can you do under the law, and what will you get arrested for. I'm willing to take my chances with a bandolier of slugs in the center console and an old 870 in the trunk.

I'll get letters in the mail to MDSP and the AG in the morning and post the responses (Any bets on waht Joe's office will say). No point in guessing on matters like these.
 
I appreciate all the responses. It sounds like there is no definitive evidence that the rifle-in-trunk/loaded-magazine-in-glovebox is illegal per se. But as several of you have pointed out, it might not be worth finding out whether officer friendly agrees. :\
 
Snowden, Onderdunk, and recent court decisions

Snowden and Onderdunk(sp?) were two CCW process court cases from the early years (70's and 80's) that appear* to have really made a mess of things. This past summer, the WBAL radio guy's permit case went up to the Ct. of Appeals and also produced some "less-than-desirable" law.:rolleyes:

If I can get MSWord copies of these three cases later this week, I can send them to those who PM me so they can read 'em and see what we're up against.

FYI: Whoever wins the MD governor election this fall will be appointing three new judges to the court of appeals due to retirements . . . not many people are talking about this - yet.

The Ct. of Appeals seems* to have given us some good law in the face of rediculous prosecution attempts here in MD, esp. on the issue of Spyderco-type pocket knives being legal for carry as "pen-knives," as well as NOT having a concealed firearm on your own property considered a "concealed weapon" under the law (I'm serious!) :eek:

* Since I'm not a MD lawyer, just a guy trying to muddle through all this stuff, all I can do is point people to what I have seen and let them make up their own minds . . . .
 
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I have PDF copies

of the MD CCW process court cases (Snowden, Onderdonk, and last year's Scherr case) . . . I also have the "knife case" and the "concealed weapon at home" case . . . I also have the MoCo ammo registration case that confirmed the preemption statute . . send PM or email if you want a copy/copies.
 
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Monkey County:

57-10. Keeping guns on person or in
vehicles. It shall be unlawful for any person to
have upon his person, concealed or exposed, or
in a motor vehicle where it is readily available for
use, any gun designed to use explosive ammu-
nition unless:
(a) Lawful mission. Such person is then
engaged upon a lawful mission for which it is
necessary to carry a gun upon his person; or
(b) Special guard, special police, etc. Such
person is employed as a special guard, special
police officer or special detective and has been
lawfully deputized by the sheriff for the county,
or has been appointed a constable in the county,
or has been licensed under the laws of the state,
should such a law be enacted, to carry such gun
and then is on or in the immediate vicinity of the
premises of any employer whose occupation
lawfully requires the employment of a person
carrying a gun while in the discharge of the
duties of such employment; or
(c) Military service. Such person is then law-
fully engaged in military service or as a duly
authorized peace officer; or
(d) Hunting, target practice, etc. Such per-
son is engaged in lawful hunting, drill, training or
target practice on property of which he is the
owner or lessee or on property with the prior
permission of the owner or lessee thereof; or
(e) Going to or returning from hunting, tar-
get practice, etc. Such person is engaged in
going to or from lawful hunting, drill training or
target practice, or in delivering such gun to or
carrying it from a gunsmith or repairman, or is
engaged in any other lawful transfer of posses-
sion; provided, that such person shall be on or
traveling upon a public highway or property of
which he is the owner or lessee or on property
with the prior permission of the owner or lessee
thereof; provided further, that such gun shall not
be loaded with explosive ammunition.
 
The Snowden case provided ample support for the Review Board’s conclusion that Scherr’s subjective belief that he was in danger did not govern, and it was for the Board to decide whether Scherr, in fact, reasonably apprehended danger to himself.

My favorite part, sums up maryland quite well. Taste vomit in mouth, shouldn't have read again, go brush teeth.
 
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