Match Grade Ammo cheap!!! I put together a list and pics of stuff I use to reload...

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I posted this a while back on another board, but I've been reading a lot here recently since it's the only gun site not blocked at work and figured I'd post this here too...

When I was getting into reloading I was looking for a fairly complete list of what kind of stuff I’d need to buy and decided that now that I had all my stuff I’d put this together to help others get an idea of what all is involved. When I made my original order I thought I got everything I’d need and overlooked a lot of stuff. I ended up making 3 additional orders to Midway before I had everything I actually needed.

So here’s some pictures and descriptions of the stuff I've put together over the last few months to reload for my Remington 700P in .308.

Tools Labeled
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The picture above shows some of the basic stuff needed to get into reloading precision ammo. I didn’t show a pic of the calipers I have, but that’s another tool you’ll need to measure the case lengths and stuff.

I almost also forgot to take a picture of the match grade primers in the back and the primer tool. Well, actually I did forget but they were in the frame so I threw some labels on them.

Here’s what this stuff is for:
Powder Trickler: Usually I throw my powder charge about .3 grains under what I actually want the charge to be and then trickle up to the exact amount. The powder trickler trickles a small amount of powder at a time as you twist the little knob. Not a great picture of it, it’s kind of behind some stuff.
Powder Funnel: I thought I could get by without one, but they cost next to nothing and are very handy. The use should be obvious.
Ammo Box: Another thing people skimp on, but it’s nice to have a dedicated ammo box for the ammo you make. You can reuse the cardboard boxes your factory ammo comes in, but they don’t offer the same protection.
Scale: I’ve got an electronic and a balance scale to back it up. I find the Dillon to be very accurate and fast.
Case Trimmer: When you shoot, the brass stretches slightly each time. You’ve got to trim the cases down so they don’t get too long. I trim them every time I shoot, which is probably not necessary, however I’m very anal when it comes to reloading. I want everything to be as perfect as possible.
Chamfer and Deburring Tool: After you trim the cases, there’s little bits of metal that can scratch the bullets as you seat them, etc. This smoothes out the outside edge and inside edge.
Primer Pocket Brush: Another thing that a lot of people probably don’t bother with. I use mine each time I shoot.
Primer tool: The single stage press can be used to seat the primer, but some experienced people recommended I get a hand primer for the job. I think it gets a little uncomfortable after you prime 50 or more, but it does have a good feel and is cheap. I have the LEE hand primer and I believe it was around ten bucks.
Primers, Powder, Bullets: This is all subjective. Lots of different combinations available and each gun will like different components. I use 168 grn SMK’s, Federal Match Primers and Varget powder.

Single stage press
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This is a fantastic press in my opinion. It is cheap (I think around $70) and solid as a rock. I hope to load .50 BMG on it someday. Single stage presses have less slop in them and although I’ve got a nice progressive, I think the single stage press gives much better results.

I also considered a turret press and would think that it could be very good for some people. I really think the single stage press with the Lock N Load bushings is as fast to switch dies as a turret press. I really liked this press because it can also load the .50 BMG. I bought the kit with the .50 dies, but haven’t gotten all the equipment (or courage) to load for that monster yet…

Lock N Load system
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If you get a single stage press, I would HIGHLY recommend the Lock N Load system. You screw your dies into the bushings and then you can twist them in and out of the Hornady Sure-Loc Lock Ring which screws into the press.

With this system, you can twist out one die and put another one in without changing the settings on either. It’s a very neat system.

Dies
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As you can see, each of my dies is attached to a Lock N Load bushing. Since I’m shooting a bolt gun, I just have a neck sizer which only sizes the neck rather than the whole case. This should make the brass last longer. Also in the box is a crimp die and a seating die. I don’t really use the crimp die since it’s probably an unnecessary step in a bolt rifle. If I was shooting an autoloader, the crimp die would be necessary.

Powder Measure
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Lots of options here. If I could do it all over again I would just buy the RCBS scale/powder dispenser combo. I measure each powder charge, which probably isn’t necessary since this powder measure usually drops fairly consistently.

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Lots of options here as well. I went with RCBS stuff and have been pretty pleased with it so far. You throw the brass into the tumbler along with some corn cob or whatever and the vibration scrubs the brass clean. The media separator separates the cleaned brass from the corn cob or whatever you use.

Now for the results…

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Ahhh… not bad… also a good pic of my calipers…

Hope this helps!

Shawn
 
Thank you for this post. I am new to handloading and appreciate your time and information. I am interested in the Hornady L n L system. It looks like yours is mounted on the Lee Classic Cast Press. Did you have to modify it any to accept the Hornady 1.25" bushing? Do you know if the Challenger press will accept the 1.25" bushing or is it limited to the standard 7/8" die? I don't have either press yet but I'm starting to think I get much more for the $ with the Classic Cast Press.

Thanks again.
 
I didn't have to modify the Lee at all to accept the 1.25" bushing, it is able to accept that as well as larger dies like the .50 BMG dies. If you do use a single stage press, the lock n load system is a great time saver and allows you to leave your dies set.

I'm not sure about the Challenger press, I don't know a lot about the different presses out there unfortunately, just about what I've had experience with.

Shawn
 
You need a motor for that case trimmer. Also, I wouldn't weigh individual charges. The 168grSMK should group nicely even with inconsistant charges (and if it doesn't, then your rifle is broken).

Ty
 
Great post, Shawn. I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Lee Anniversary Kit from Midway today. In fact, I just checked the UPS status and it should be waiting for me when I get home today! I'm a noobie with reloading and have read everything I can find and look forward to spending a lot of time reading the reloading book that comes with the Lee kit this weekend before doing anything. There's a few more things you've pointed out that I'll need, but I look pretty much set to go. Great pictures too.

Thanks - Tom
 
My investigation since yesterday indicates that the Challenger press does not accept the 1.25" Hornady bushings. So I will be going with the Classic Cast Press instead. I already have the dies and the Hornady bushing conversion and bushings on the way.
 
dmills- sounds good, I hope you like the setup as much as I have. I kind of went into reloading backwards. I got a Dillon XL650 progressive first and later bought to a single stage press so I could make some match rifle ammo. I was flabbergasted at how I had to unscrew the dies and reset them every time I wanted to do a batch of ammo. I was seriously considering just giving up on it and going to a turret press or something until I came across the Hornady lock n load bushings. It really makes the single stage press into a quick and easy system.

Shawn
 
Thanks for posting that idea you came up with...very original in that I don't believe I've seen/heard-of anyone else using those Hornady LnL die parts in a single-stage press as you have described above.

-- John D.
 
Might add....

I get labels from Midway for my ammo boxes. Cheap and have appropriate places for necessary info. Plastic ammo boxes are way cheap and are far better than trying to re-use factory boxes.

type of case lube??? lube pad or no??
 
redneck2-

Great addition. I have a batch of frankford arsenal labels that I use. They peel off after use easily and dont leave a papery sticky mess which is nice.

I don't use any case lube for this ammo. If you are shooting in a bolt action rifle, the first time you shoot a cartridge in your rifle, the brass expands to the exact dimensions of your chamber. When you resize your brass, you have the option of just resizing the neck or the whole thing. By only sizing the neck, it saves wear and tear on the brass and it leaves the brass fireformed to the dimensions of your chamber. I hear that this is good for accuracy but I can't really speak from experience. I've always only done neck sizing so I've got nothing to compare it against. I personally use the Lee Collet neck sizer die. It's cheap, simple and has been highly reliable and consistent for me so far. You don't actually need to use lube on the neck sizer. I actually have a Dillon carbide resizer die that I bought a while back, but have never even used since I don't fully resize my brass.

Shawn
 
A couple of items of interest for you

Shawn,
Very nice post. There's a couple of things of interestI thought I'd share with you related to equipment you might be interested in. I'm only mentioning them because I don't see them in those very fine pics you've posted.

1. Motorize your case trimmer. I've had that same RCBS trimmer for years and the motor has been of great benefit for when I occasionally have to process lot of a few thousand once fired military brass and such. It's not extremely fast, but for occasional large quantities of brass, it more than meets the average shooters needs.

2. Buy one of the three way heads for your trimmer. The one that trims and chamfers the inside as well as the outside of the brass mouth. Does a great job and you won't have to chamfer the case mouths when you're done. Well worth the time and aggravation saved.

3. If you don't have it, get the RCBS Trim Mate to go with your trimmer. It has several nice benefits. One, it automates primer pocket cleaning, making it less tedious and quick. Two, it has an accessory to chamber inside and out if you don't have the three way heads above. Three, you can buy extra heads that can be used to trim out the crimp in both the large and small military primers. This has allowed me not to have to buy a swager.

So this is a multiple use motorized tool.

4. I see you have the lock N load adapter set on your Lee Classic Cast single stage press. This probably won't affect you, but for those with a Hornady Lock N Load progressive, you can shim the bushing adapter on the Lee press so the dies are correctly adjusted in both presses.

5. Something you may be interested in is you can buy a Hornady case activated powder drop (it's like a die) and use your Hornady powder measure on your Dillon 650 to handle extruded powders like 4895. I've found the Hornady measure to be even more accurate when case activated than I can run it by hand. Come to think about it, you could put a Lock N Load bushing on the Hornady die base for the CAPD and use it in your Lee Classic Cast press as well.


Good shooting too.

Regards,

Dave
 
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