mauser actions

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Ruger, CZ, Winchester (pre-64 and classic model 70), Kimber, Dakota, & Montana actions are all heavily derived from the Mauser 98.
 
the mosin was not made to be scoped.
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ence the inherent advantage of the mauser action.

your using feature that is not relevant to the rifles purpose.
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Its completely relevent when talking about which action is a better design.

the safety is one of the most silent safetys iv ever used. and since it literaly locks the firing pin at 2 points it is the most positive safety i know of
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The mause accomplishes the same task, only much better.;)

the single stack magazine is due to the rimmed cartridge obv. but how is it a problem? rimlock is easily avoided with a good spring and any basic knowledge on how to load. like all things firearms, proper employment requires practice
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If the only cartridge that you want to shoot through a Mosin Nagant happens to be the 7.62x54r or necked up or necked down versions of it, the magazine works well, in fact much more reliably than an enfield magazine. Id you want a rifle in 270 or 243 or 220 swift etc... the mosin action just doesn't work. There are hundreds of cartridges that will work in a mauser 98, only a small handful in the mosin nagant.
 
Which modern bolt actions (e.g. Ruger, CZ, Savage, etc) use the mauser action?
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Just about every modern bolt action is in one way or another is derived from the mauser 98. Ruger M77s, CZs (CZ is a very famous maker of mauser 98 copies that has been making them since the end of WWI) and Winchester mod 70s are the most similar with a few things changed. Remington 700s, Savages are also similar but lack a rotating claw extractor.
 
well then were at the point where we must decide if we want a sport rifle or a war rifle.

as a sport rifle, the mauser is more suited
as a war rifle i feel the mosin holds the edge
 
as a sport rifle, the mauser is more suited
as a war rifle i feel the mosin holds the edge
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Consider that very few modern war rifles are bolt actions.
The few modern bolt actions that are in service tend to owe far more to the Mauser than the Mosin and tend to have design requirements that parallel sporting rifles much more than they do late-19th/early-20th century war rifles.
 
as a war rifle i feel the Mosin holds the edge
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The Mosin has several disadvantages as a war rifle;
-stripper clips must be loaded in a specific way.
-the bolt is IMO harder/slower to work.
-the sights are inferior
-the ergonomics of the stock are inferior
-the trigger has a heavier pull

I own three Mosins (hopefully more) and only two Mausers (ditto) and enjoy them all. But the Mausers are superior.
 
it was just a closing statement, not a question. ;)

The Mosin has several disadvantages as a war rifle;
-stripper clips must be loaded in a specific way.
-the bolt is IMO harder/slower to work.
-the sights are inferior
-the ergonomics of the stock are inferior
-the trigger has a heavier pull
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opinion, preferance and subjective. are you of russian disent firing the rifle wearing heavy winter clothing? ergonomics change quickly. why do you think they make adjustable stocks

not here to start a debate, theres plenty of those threads. i just wanted to present some defense for the mosin
 
You are making statements of technology based on your feelings.
I'm making statements based on experience and fact.
If I were stating things on my feelings my Steyr would take the cake...I love that gun.
 
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and something else not mentioned here, the level of manufacturing is in credible. IVe read the cnc controlled hot wire cutters used by some companies to make bolt action recievers, can even give the same tolerance, quality, or finish as what is found on typical masuer bolt actions.

its directly linked with fancy cars versus plain ones. Sure the new imports from south east asia will get you where you want, but my cutlas seirra made in 1995 in oklahoma, is luxury. and the engine, ever feel the difference between a REAL american 3100 v6 engine when it hits 50 mph versus the engine on a rice burner?
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:scrutiny: You have GOT to be kidding. Comparing Mauser actions to Mid 90's Oldsmobiles???

I mistakenly bought a brand new 95 Cutlass 12 years ago, drove it right off the dealers lot with a big smile on my face. 6 payments and 14,000 miles later I had an even BIGGER smile on my face when I left that POS at the Saab dealer and drove off in a new 900.

Come take a ride in my wifes rice burning Inifiti FX35 if you want to see what a REAL v6 engine feels like.

Geweher 98-

That is a beautiful rifle, I love the stock.
 
As for Mauser action i doubt that there would be a gun maker in europe or the states that at some point or another hasn't use a mauser action ,just some i can think of winchester,ruger,parker hale,H&H, not mention all the custom jobs that have been produced over the last 50 years.

the SMLE 303 is the fastest bolt action ever built. The japs in WWII thought for a long time we aussie's had auto's because you can fire 10 rounds in as many seconds and reload in half that.
great battle rifle as good as a mauser maybe not as strong but in the heat of battle as good as each other.

but iam bias towards the smelly's first gun i ever had last gun i'll ever sell
 
Great Britain and Russia were the only major powers who used rifle designs that did not have Mauser as their basis during the heyday of the bolt action rifle.
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Actually, Great Britain's P14 rifle was a Mauser derivative, and both Britain and Russia bought Arisakas which are also heavily influenced by Mauser designs. Of course, they were both substitute arms, and never standard issue.

Left out that France, Italy and the Austrian-Hungarian empire did not use the Mauser rifles.
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France's MAS 36 used some Mauser ideas, heavily modified to suit the French taste for odd looking guns though. Austria adopted a Mauser 98 in 7X57mm in 1912, and of course during WWII they used K98k's. You are correct about Italy however.
 
Austria adopted a Mauser 98 in 7X57mm in 1912, and of course during WWII they used K98k's.
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The Austrian-Hungarian empire used their M95 rifles through WWI, in the 1920s Austria switched to the Mauser rifle, but many M95 remained in service in reserve units though WWII.

The man said major powers -- not wannabes.
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France and Austria where Major powers, more so than Germany.
 
The Austrian-Hungarian empire used their M95 rifles through WWI, in the 1920s Austria switched to the Mauser rifle, but many M95 remained in service in reserve units though WWII.
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You are correct. I got confused. The M1912 Mauser was made by Waffenfabrik Steyr for Chile, Columbia, and Mexico in 7X57, but the Austrian Army itself did not adopt a Mauser until after WW1. I apologize for my mistake.
 
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