Max deer kill 7 mm mag

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On You tube I see where the guys with the skills kill deer at 1000+ yards. But if you were really good say sniper trained by the government how far could the extreme max. possibly be for a effective deer kill be?

It would be cool for someone to be able to lay claim with video to such a record.
 
It would be cool for someone to be able to lay claim with video to such a record.
No, it wouldn't.

It would be a video of an unethical hunter showing off.

A deer size "target" can be easily hit at 1,000 yards by a skilled rifleman.
Who knows the exact range, the wind direction and velocity between the firing point and the target, the exact trajectory of the load, etc.

But the thing with targets is, they don't step out of the way while the bullet is getting there 1 1/2 seconds after the shot.

The problem comes when you miss a little bit, and wound the deer.
A follow-up shot on a wounded deer bounding off is next too impossible at that range.

Or say you do make a fatal shot.
And then can't find the body or the blood trail when you get done hiking across 1,000+ yards of rough country.

And nothing looks the same when you get where you think it was, but isn't.

BTW: A 7mm Mag load that starts out with 3,110 FPS velocity and 3,221 ft/lb of energy has only 1,571 / 822 left at 1,000 yards.
It's hard to get good bullet expansion and game killing penetration at 1,571 FPS with most 7mm Mag bullets going that slow.

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I'm not a long range guy. 400 yards is my max even with my 7 mag. Too many variables and I don't get to practice at over 300 yards, so I limit myself in the interest of a clean kill. It takes more than training, takes practice. The big 7 is the tool, though. I've taken a rocky mountain mulie across a canyon at just over 350 yards with it. Took a nice 8 point 150 lb whitetail at 150 out in west Texas. It's a bit of a cannon, but it can get the job done and recoil is relatively mild, no worse than a .30-06 by my calibrated shoulder. :D Mine's a Savage 110. Got a Weatherby Supreme 3x9x44 on it, good, bright glass, but no elevation adjustment. I just estimate hold over, so that limits me, too.

Lately, though, I've been using a big 50 cal inline. So, whadda I know. :D
 
The Utoobers don't show misses or woundings.

I know from experience on my 500-yard range at my house that it doesn't take much of a breeze to require two feet of windage to have a max load '06 hit on center. But I knew that the target was at 500 yards, and the hit/miss deal didn't really matter. On a deer, it matters.
 
I have taken deer in 7 states with a bow. Most of which were taken at under 20 yards. Personal best 4 yards. So why in the world would someone need to take a shot at a animal at a grand. Put down the joysticks, hit the woods and learn to hunt.
 
LOL!!! These threads crack me the hell up. ROW, I AM one of those "trained" and my limit is under 400 yards on white-tail or elk. RC nailed the reason too. It takes time for that bullet to get there. You can have a top of the line range finder, accurate to +- 1 yard, wind flags down the range to dope the wind, years of practice, the perfect rifle/cartridge/bullet combination, the best glass money can buy, BUT if you don't have your handy dandy A.C.M.E. animal mind reader gizmo, you can't know that that animal is going to take a step while peacefully grazing and put that perfectly lined up shot dead in the guts!!! Animal never to be found because you were to damn lazy to get close enough for an ETHICAL shot. Stop the chest thumping mentality and dreams of grandeur and learn the fine art of getting close enough to make a clean and ethical shot.
 
It would be cool for someone to be able to lay claim with video to such a record.


I have to disagree there. It would be the exact opposite of cool.
All it would do would be to make young, gullible people want to go out there and try it. The thing is, even if you double lung one at that distance, the bullet is going to be travelling so slow by then, it will not expand, and as a result will leave almost no blood trail. You could quiet possibly loose the deer, even if hit perfectly.
You do what you want to, but if it's past 300, I'm gonna just watch it and hope it comes closer.
 
One of the most critical aspects of training--in any field of endeavor--is discipline. IMHO, a trained and therefore supposedly disciplined shooter doesn't take a 1,000-yd shot that he could turn into a 250-yd shot.
 
Wow didn't know I would stir up such a mess.. I don't hunt just target shoot, haven't hunted in 30 years. What made me think of the long shot Video in the first place was the you tube longest kill shot of 1.1/2 miles of Talaban terrorist. Then I saw the 1000+ yard shot of deer. I was impressed.

Elk 1000 yards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48Eok5hQZo

longest kill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbzVpcTrQb4

Sorry I was thinking from a non hunter point of view.
 
As hunters, we need to advocate closer is better. We have a duty as ethical hunters in this sport to make ethical shots, not bravado shots unless you were trained to do it. These long range hunting shows are nice to watch but its not what it is . It takes a whole lot to achieve that sure kill shot.
 
I am not trained but have shot at 1000 yards. I have 7mm rem mag custom hunting rifle to do so . I also draw a limit at 400 yards for hunting. As covered , it is hard to find a quality range finder that will reflect on game at over 500 yards, trees yes ,not game. Also at 400 yards it hard with good binos or scope to deside if a buck is nice or not. If a does is indeed a doe or a small spike buck. Or really even a decent doe and not a yearl'n. Even the bullet than works well at up to 400 yards my not be good at 600+. Its the same the other way around too. Even setting on a c500 yard lear cut you my have a deer walk up 20 feet off. use the right bullet. I use a 300 yard zero and know what it will do out to 400. After that those bullets are heading to ground in a hurry so you really have to be spot on with yardage at ranges over 400 yards. You have got to know where that bullet will hit and many rifles are not capable of shooting good enough groups from a bench at 400 yards much less in a field setting. Today finding place to shoot 400 yards for practice can be very hard to do.
 
If the game is within 12 yds, i can grab my .357 mag sidearm and aim for the head. I dont need a magnum or what not.
 
nathan 12 yards!!! Thats all you can get out of it. haha So whats up, you have no skills beyond up close . Kill'n up close ain't hard. 357s maxed around 75 to 100 yards, 40 if your ethical. Bow ,40 yards. You don't hunt at longer distance with bp, sluguns or centerfire? I grew up hunting with buck shot, revolvers and bows . Doesn't mean I got to stay in such a confined way of hunting. You just have be smart enought to know when to let something go on by if all ain't just right. Even at 12 yards.
 
Hunting is having the ability to get close enough to make a good shot on an animal reguardless of if you are in a stand or on a stalk. Many of the best hunters I know are not good shots, some use guns incapable of 3 MOA as their rifles are 3 generations old and only shoot during deer season, however they will put just as much meat on the pole as anyone else. Shooting an animal from so far away they have no chance what so ever of detecting you isnt really hunting, its just shooting at a living target, a differnt skill set to be sure, but I dont think I would call it hunting.
 
Hunting is having the ability to get close enough to make a good shot on an animal reguardless of if you are in a stand or on a stalk. Many of the best hunters I know are not good shots, some use guns incapable of 3 MOA as their rifles are 3 generations old and only shoot during deer season, however they will put just as much meat on the pole as anyone else. Shooting an animal from so far away they have no chance what so ever of detecting you isnt really hunting, its just shooting at a living target, a differnt skill set to be sure, but I dont think I would call it hunting.

That's your opinion. I don't make shots that far, especially now days, but I avoid blanket statements like this, calling this and that "unethical". I've come to understand that not everyone shares my idea of ethics. Hell, I hunt with a feeder on MY place. Nuf said? But, I also hunt occasional public land that's restricted on baiting, just find sign or a trail and sit.

I'm a good rifleman. I've prided myself in my marksmanship, I just don't get any practice at ranges past 300 yards, so I don't stretch it. I agree with you in that I pride myself much more in my ability to get close, either with a stalk out west or on a stand back here, than I do in my marksmanship skills. I don't use all the whiz bang scent blockers and such on stands either, just sit still and don't make noise. When I spot and stalk hunt, I try to get inside my comfort zone with whatever weapon I'm carrying, be that front stuffer, stick and string, or 7mm Rem Mag. Lately, I've been all off into black powder, took one this year at 30 yards with it, nothing special, but venison never-the-less.

I won't berate someone anymore that's truly skilled at long range marksmanship if they're "inside their comfort zone" when they take the shot. I won't shoot over 400, though, and it's got to be windless and no down or uphill incline for me to take a shot THAT far, perfect conditions. I know my limits. A man's got to know his limitations.

I think all these sniper vids from Afghanistan have brought about this long range stuff. I see it on TV outdoor channel shows, taking game out 800-1000 yards. Not me, but more power to 'em. I think all the mid east wars have brought on the popularity of all the tacticool stuff, too, mil dot reticules, rails, pistol gripped stocks, folding stocks, 1000 round magazines, etc. Too many mall ninjas running around. Most of 'em don't hunt, though, I'm guessing.

This is all just MHO. Don't get excited, i'm not saying all this is so and I can't be wrong, just that's how I see it.
 
If the game is within 12 yds, i can grab my .357 mag sidearm and aim for the head. I dont need a magnum or what not.

Please educate yourself and do not take head shots on big game. You are just going to wind up taking a deer's jaw off and having it starve to death.
 
im not a bowhunter but im more impressed by someone that kills adeer at 7 yards than someone that shoots one at 700
 
The distance you kill at is all about developing the skills to kill at different ranges and conditions. We all have to find our real limits and know when to pass on a shot no matter if at 5 yards or 350 yards. If all are honest we all had to make some chices growing up hunting and you learn by them.

There is also nothing better than getting away with a shot when a deer knows your there at very close range or haveing the time ,the weapon and the skill to make 350 yard shot in a clear cut or field.

Those that keep preaching on killing up close ?? How about a deer with a bow or handgun at 20 yards in a thick brushy area. Do you know when to NOT shot. Do you pass on a great deer at 40 yards in the clear. You have to know when to just watch and it's just as important at very short ranges as it is at 400. Some of us that hunt with bows, handguns, slugguns, black powder all have to learn its and your limits.

I am not one that thinks shooting at game at longer distance ,over 400 yardsin any condition even where land allows is a ethical way to hunt. I have let so much game walk just because of conditons, terrain, timeing, Sunllight in the scope, legal light. To often all you get is a memory.
 
Estimated longest shot from my 7 mag on a Dall sheep.... 275-325 yds.
After more than 3 hours of stalking, creeping, watching, waiting.
(Management tag-had to be a Ewe- not the easiest thing too see from above!)
Was 99% sure the one (of 6) I had chose was a Ewe, not a young Ram, after a long loop to get above and ahead of them, distance ~75yds. Just needed to see it stand up to be 100%. Waited, and waited, then waited some more for the low clouds and flurries to stop. When the crud lifted, and revealed the sheep, they were about 200 yards farther away.

Not a record-book bragging-shot distance........But, my personal best for distance and start to finish kill. The 175 gr went into the front shoulder and was recovered in the opposite side rear hindquarter. The sheep fell like a sack o' taters and that was it.
 
WOW! lot of haters on longrange hunting.

so...correct me if i sound wrong but why hunt with anything more than a 243? It will get the job done up close all day... why drive nothing more than a toyota prius? We shouldn't drive past the speed limit anyways. So who needs a Mustang GT,Camaro or similar?

If you have a 338 laupa and want to shoot elk at 800yrds is that bad? Is it bad to stretch the legs of your 2005 corvette past 80mph?

Im saying why hold that potential back if you own something that has so much more? If your a good seasoned shooter/marksman,why not reach out if you can dial it in? Theres alot of hunters that shoot short ranges that miss and wound an animal just the same.

I agree,7yards is impressive v.s. 700yrds. Im a fan of longrange rifles but stalking is fun!
 
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