Measuring group sizes? (App/Software question)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Spats McGee

Spats McGee

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Mar 15, 2012
Messages
7,467
Location
Arkansas
The past few months, I've discovered that it's very relaxing to shoot a .22 from the bench. It's even better when I go slow and try to put holes in the holes. So I'm wondering if there's a good (and preferably free) app for an iPhone that will help me measure groups. I'm nowhere near good enough for real competition, but I figured this forum would probably be the best place for this question.

Thanks in advance,
Spats
 
I use Range Buddy but I am running it on Android. Not sure if there is a iPhone version. It's free, a touch quirky in the interface, but once you figure out the nuances it does a very nice job.
 
Last edited:
Ballistic-X and Sub-MOA are the two target analysis tools I use. I can’t recall if they are both free or not, but I know I’ll pinch a penny until Lincoln cries, so I have to assume they were either free or close enough to free for me to consider them free.

They do the exact same thing, but Ballistic-X has sexier graphics for posting target analysis photos online. Ballistic-X is more intuitive for exporting the image, but both are one click exports - frankly, I typically just screenshot to save the photo anyway, so it’s null. Sub-MOA is less glitchy for placing your reference points (although it APPEARS to be less reliable as you’re doing it), and I tend to get frustrated with Ballistic-X continually shifting slightly as I drop the reference point. Since I don’t worry as much about curb appeal for online posting as I worry about accuracy of the data AND don’t like wasting time placing and replacing the reference points, I use Sub-MOA more often, for that singular reason. I also appreciate there is some extra data offered in Sub-MOA by default.

App Store/Home Screen Icons for recognition, not sure if there are fakes in the App Store or not?

6B3F2103-D377-44F5-A9B1-0954664ED7D2.jpeg

Comparatively, here are two pictures of the same target analyzed by both:

Sub-MOA

B4482C6C-2C81-4A2E-B19F-8B4A949FD8FA.jpeg

Ballistic-X

6B17C159-2D1F-41AF-A721-EDDD7B5DA35E.jpeg
 
I found two in the App Store, both of which were free.
Range apps.jpg

Functionally, they seem virtually identical, at least to me (a complete noob at measuring groups). And now that I look down at my phone, I see they're from the same company, so that makes sense. For whatever reason, though, SubMOA seems a little more stable on my phone. PerfectShoot crashed on me with some regularity. So I think I'll keep SubMOA for now, and ditch PerfectShoot.

Ballistic-X is also available for $7.99 as of this posting, but I think I'll spend some time with SubMOA before I go spending any money on this.

Thank you, one and all for your help.
 
Spats McGee said:
Ballistic-X is also available for $7.99 as of this posting, but I think I'll spend some time with SubMOA before I go spending any money on this.
Click to expand...

I may have spent $8 on Ballistic-X, but it surprises me if I did. I can’t tell in my app manager whether I paid or not... BUT... I will say, if I did pay $8 for it, having had Sub-MOA before it for a handful of years, it was $8 wasted. I use Sub-MOA, and as mentioned, Sub-MOA gives a bit more info. The data display is sexier on Ballistic-X, not not $8 sexier in my life.
 
Varminterror said:
I may have spent $8 on Ballistic-X, but it surprises me if I did. I can’t tell in my app manager whether I paid or not... BUT... I will say, if I did pay $8 for it, having had Sub-MOA before it for a handful of years, it was $8 wasted. I use Sub-MOA, and as mentioned, Sub-MOA gives a bit more info. The data display is sexier on Ballistic-X, not not $8 sexier in my life.
Click to expand...

Many apps start as free downloads, and when they get successful a price tag comes up.
 
Kano383 said:
Many apps start as free downloads, and when they get successful a price tag comes up.
Click to expand...

I searched my Apple account and couldn’t see the charge, but searching my email, sure enough, I wasted $8 on Ballistic X. Good enough product, and not over-priced at $8, but it just doesn’t do anything I wasn’t already doing with Sub-MOA.

I love measuring targets on my phone. It’s always fun pushing the bullet holes around to see where they actually fell relative to the group, especially when 3, 4, 5, or 20 shots all cut the perimeter of the same hole in the page. Stuff I wouldn’t be able to place by naked eye shows up easily when you’re holding the circle in the app over would-be bullet perimeters.
 
Hey!
I was also in search of a great app for meazuring group size. I wasn’t happy with existing shooting apps, so I've created my own called SPOTTR.

Here you can easily customize your shootings as well as check out your group size, adjustments for quick zeroing, performance of different bullets and loads, and many more.
Also an update was rolled out recently where I've implemented what users asked me to change.

I REALLY need some honest feedback to make it better, and to decide what features to add next.

You can download the app by the link below
Android SPOTTR - Apps on Google Play
IOS ‎SPOTTR - shooting tracker
 
My first problem with Spottr is that it doesn't look like it can be set up for .22LR, which is all of my target rifle shooting right now.
 
I downloaded the "SubMOA" app on my iphone, haven't been able to make it work, might just be me.
 
Walkalong said:
I downloaded the "SubMOA" app on my iphone, haven't been able to make it work, might just be me.
Click to expand...

What trouble are you having? App crashing ops issue or functional issue like not measuring properly or not placing shots?
 
Can't get it to do anything. Probably me. I'll fool around with it some more one of these days. :)
 
I tried spottr on my Samsung S7 just to see. It crashes on me.

I haven't tried the other smart phone apps yet.

I am a fan of the One Target PC app. If I use the TDS version and the targets it prints, it will auto scan for the holes within limits.

Does either of the other cell phone apps autoscan for holes?
 
clutch said:
Does either of the other cell phone apps autoscan for holes?
Click to expand...

No, both Ballistic X and and Sub-MOA require the user to place the shots. Which is largely necessary, as the computer would not be able to identify internal shots once the hole is bugged.
 
Useful thread, thanks. I was wondering about such an app. I like it when I see posts where they are used. Perhaps they would measure groups better than I do. Food for thought.
 
Is Sub-MOA an iPhone only app? I don't see it for Android in the play store but the icon for it looks just like the Range Buddy app icon and the examples in this thread looks like Sub-MOA and Range Buddy are the same app for different operating systems.
 
Last edited:
clutch said:
I tried spottr on my Samsung S7 just to see. It crashes on me.

I haven't tried the other smart phone apps yet.

I am a fan of the One Target PC app. If I use the TDS version and the targets it prints, it will auto scan for the holes within limits.

Does either of the other cell phone apps autoscan for holes?
Click to expand...
Will check what's wrong
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Redlg155
  • Locked
Does everyone use this method for measuring groups?
2
Replies
25
Views
1K
hksw
H
G
  • Locked
How is a group properly measured?
Replies
4
Views
382
Art Eatman
A
carnaby
  • Locked
Ballistic Coefficient Calculator
Replies
6
Views
781
carnaby
carnaby
carnaby
  • Locked
New Ballistic Coefficient App
Replies
1
Views
528
carnaby
carnaby
Blackcloud6
  • Locked
Grouping change in different positions
Replies
5
Views
594
hps1
hps1
Back
Top