Mel Gibson: A Conservative in Hollywood?

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I have just watched the DVD of, "We Were Soldiers", and was very impressed. The story of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry (Airmobile) in the Ia Drang Valley in Vietnam was well and reverently told. Even the ending featured the names of the unit's actual dead on the Vietnam Wall. It is pretty much the antithesis of the typical Hollywood Vietnam antiwar film.

Mel Gibson did very well in the role of the real-life Lt. Col. (later Lt. Gen.) Hal Moore. This reminded me of his starring in, "The Patriot", which was so pro-gun and so pro-patriotism that it upset many Hollywood liberals. In particular, they were horrified that Gibson's character let his sons have guns.

Now, Gibson is about to release, "The Passion of the Christ", in spite of protests by Jews, who feel it may reflect badly on persons of their faith. I suspect that making this film took courage on Gibson's part, considering who runs Hollywood. (This is not an ethnic slur; just an observation.)

I have begun to suspect that Gibson is becoming/has become a conservative by Hollywood standards. His recent roles have done much to atone for some of his previous movies, which left me feeling that he was a typical Hollyweird liberal.

Does anyone here share this impression, and do you think this may bode well for less anti-gun bias in movies, perhaps influencing other actors and directors? Are there other good examples of celebrities (other than Charlton Heston) who have stood up for traditional American values in film?
Are we seeing the beginning of a modest trend toward movies that reflect moderate or conservative sentiments?

I realize that not all members of this forum are conservatives. I am actually pretty liberal myself, in some areas. But I have longed for movies that weren't blatant leftwing propaganda, and which honor legitimate heroes, rather than ridicule them, or which don't mock Christian beliefs.

I hope this post isn't out of place here. I will value your comments but, please, don't depict me as a bigot, a racist, or a right-wing extremist. I hope I am none of these, and I am not suggesting intolerance of others in the remarks above.

Lone Star
 
I hope this post isn't out of place here. I will value your comments but, please, don't depict me as a bigot, a racist, or a right-wing extremist. I hope I am none of these, and I am not suggesting intolerance of others in the remarks above.

Lone Star
I hope you're right........I'm also not a bigot or racist, however my political standing is somewhere to the right of Atila the Hun.
 
DorGunR-

I'm not really sure that Rome regarded Attila as a conservative, but he seems to get a lot of modern day sentiment in that direction! :D

Many (most) posters on gun forums are conservative, some so much so that they give quite a bit of fuel to anti-gunners who may lead people to gun forums to see just how rabid we gun nuts are. And some even put religious comments at the bottom of their posts. Same on knife forums.

I belong to another forum sponsored by the producers of a TV show I like, and frankly take some heat there from the predominently liberal membership if I say anything political. Some have recently been posting how much they like music by Joan Baez and other singers identified with Anti-Vietnam demonstrations. We aren't supposed to post there about politics, but they sometimes let their feelings be known, while jumping on me if I say anything conservative. So, I may be a little gunshy, hence the disclaimer.

Thanks for your post, by the way.

Lone Star
 
Mel Gibson did very well in the role of the real-life Lt. Col. (later Lt. Gen.) Hal Moore. This reminded me of his starring in, "The Patriot", which was so pro-gun and so pro-patriotism that it upset many Hollywood liberals. In particular, they were horrified that Gibson's character let his sons have guns.

The producers may been trying to be historical accurtat in "The Patriot". Older childern did hunt by themselfs just like they did jobs. I don't know Gibson's stand on gun control. It's possible he has changed his views on that a few times.

Bill Meados
 
Kevin Costner doesn't apologize for the gunfight scene in Open Range -- he says he was "glad to do it". The movie, in part, was about doing the right thing even if it costs you -- and even if it's not politically correct.

Second Hand Lions also goes against the grain when it comes to firearms ownership and usage. I love the scene where the idiot lady says something like "I won't have my kids around these guns" and Duval's character says "Then LEAVE!" Of course, I was scratching my head when a while later the lady was carrying a M1 through the corn field when they were all searching for the lion... What a great movie.

Some movie makers are taking risks, but don't expect the movies that might appear pro-RKBA to win any academy awards.

BTW, Robert Duval has long been one of my favorite actors. His recent performances have been some of his best, IMO.

In Mel Gibson's case, it seems he has decided that taking on a project that means a great deal to him personally is more important than his Hollywood career. I find it refreshing and wish him the best. And I don't think it will prove the end of his career, either.
 
Many (most) posters on gun forums are conservative, some so much so that they give quite a bit of fuel to anti-gunners who may lead people to gun forums to see just how rabid we gun nuts are. And some even put religious comments at the bottom of their posts. Same on knife forums.

And this is a bad thing? What am I missing here? Frankly, the words contained in the above paragraph smack of a certain kind of bias IMHO. It could be that these "rabid gun nuts" understand the situation and the more "moderate" types simply don't get it. What's wrong with being a Conservative? Just because we are not willing to spend huge sums of other people's money in an attempt to make life "fair" doesn't make us bad people! Heck, I'm old fashioned enough to believe that self determination and self reliance are a good thing. :)

Unfortunately there are those who would have us believe that the typical conservative is a biased, terribly bigoted and just a plain rotten person. If the word "conservative" conjures up images of a mean, narrow minded bigot, then you my friend, are biased.

Am I to judge all Liberals by Teddy Kennedy (D-Chappaquiddick)?

Some of us don't believe that our 2nd Amendment rights are to be compromised. Should the beliefs of "rabid gun nuts" be dismissed because their arguments are not couched in 50 cent words?

There's a huge difference between good sounding reasons and good sound reasoning.

Tim
 
There's a huge difference between good sounding reasons and good sound reasoning.
AMEN, BROTHER!!!

How I wish this lesson were taught in school... :fire:

Also, for those interested in debunking some of the Internet myths about Mel Gibson, see here and click on the links.
 
I'll be interested to see his new film. Some have said that seeing those events with the languages spoken being Latin and Aramaic throws an entirely new light on them. I can understand how that might be so, guess it makes you fully grasp that Jesus wasn't a blonde man who spoke English or even Robert Powell.

On the subject of his film being anti-Jewish, as an Englishman I can profess doubts as to Gibson's impartiality. Still this is such a controversial subject with many who are touchy on it (unlike anti-English sentiments) that I expect kid gloves have been used. Hope that doesn't ruin the film.

As for Braveheart or The Patriot, if I wanted to see a film with Englishmen as the evil bad people I can just watch Return of the Jedi as all the officers on board the Death Star appear to be English.

(I think I need one of them smilie things - not sure which)
 
It could be that these "rabid gun nuts" understand the situation and the more "moderate" types simply don't get it.

Why is it that when Howard Dean, Paul Wellstone (RIP) and other liberals scream and their veins bulge out, they are considered "passionate" but when anyone on the right communicates their passion they are considered "rabid"?

We need to continually point out these inconsistencies and take back our language.

Bruce Willis and James Woods seem to be a couple other "good guys" in Hollywood.
 
If the word "conservative" conjures up images of a mean, narrow minded bigot, then you my friend, are biased.

Thanks to Carrol O'Connor, Norman Lear, Alan Alda and much of the 70's "entertainment".

Anyone is certainly entitled to put their political views into their entertainment, but we also have the right to point out the bias. I'm glad we have Mel Gibson out there telling stories his way.

The more voices the better.
 
As for Braveheart or The Patriot, if I wanted to see a film with Englishmen as the evil bad people I can just watch Return of the Jedi as all the officers on board the Death Star appear to be English.

St Johns -- We certainly don't understand your government's stance against defending one's own life, but I don't think there's any kind of feeling at all here in the US that modern-day Englishmen are bad.

I think we Americans make a very good distinction between Revolutionary war-era conflicts and the many times we've been allies since then.
 
Well last night, I happened to catch his interview on TV, mostly about the new "Passion" movie.

I don't normally watch celeb interviews but this seemed politically controversial enough that it might have been worth a look.

I was right.

First, Gibson explained that he had *radically* changed his life around from the early days. He's now gone rather completely against the previous Hollywood glam/booze/drugs/party thing and went religious in a big way - he's now a very devout Catholic and a supporter of an old-school branch that does services in Latin and rejects the Vatican's reforms of the mid-60's.

Seems to have started sometime before "Braveheart" which makes sense...in that film, the "religious fervor" of that character's Catholocism seemed to me at the time to be a stunningly good act. Well it wasn't an act, he was feeding off his own relatively recent conversion and channeling it through the character.

This "massive lifestyle change" explains the apparant turnaround on the gun issue - yes, at one time he went with the usual Hollywood-popular BS but you can expect him to re-think ANY beliefs held during the "Lethal Weapon" era, including gun control (which he didn't talk about correctly).

We're dealing with basically a totally different person here, given the changes in belief evidenced not just by what he says, but both by the lifestyle he's visibly leading and how that's influencing his films.

As to "Passion" itself: a lot of the controversy stems from historical "Passion Plays":

http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/history_wing/antisemitism/arts/passion_plays.cfm

http://www.adl.org/Interfaith/passion_theology.asp

...and others sources describing how "Easter Passion plays" were used specifically for anti-Jewish propaganda and often spurred instant riots and looting of the Jewish part of town. While probably not created for THAT purpose, the fact that this has happened for literally over 1,000 years spurs concern today.

Note how in 1965 during the "Vatican II" conferences and decisions, specific language absolving the Jews of guilt for the death of Jesus was adopted (along with a LOT more stuff such as masses in local languages, etc.) and Mel Gibson is a member of a Catholic sect which rejects "in general" the Vatican II reforms.

That's part of what's got some people worked up over the movie.

That said, I believe that *American* audiences are now basically adult enough on matters of race to take something like this in stride and not go ape, any more than either "The Patriot" or "Braveheart" made us torch British embassies :scrutiny:.

BUT...hmmmm...there's enough classic anti-Semitism left in parts of Europe that we could see troubles ignited by it. France and Germany in particular, although a lot of the anti-Jewish violence is by Muslim immigrants.

I wonder how this'll play in the Islamic world in general?
 
Speaking of entertainment. Last night i was in the laundrymat washing my clothes and they had the tv on. Some show with charlie sheen in it. it was 9:55 pm and the show was wrapping up. One of the female actresses says to this male actress "you're going to get laid tonight" and leans over and kisses him.

***!?!?!?!? i cannot believe this garbage! i was shocked. i had to do a double take at the tv. almost 2 years ago i stopped watching TV. Many years ago i stopped watching the big 4 networks. i cannot believe how far "entertainment" has slid in the last few years.
 
The producers may been trying to be historical accurtat in "The Patriot"

in addition to what St. Johns said on this film and Braveheart, roflmao.

With regards to "Vatican II", its of course correct that blaming "the Jews" as a people for the death of Christ is absurd - but individuals who were Jewish did play a role in the period leading up to the killing, both with and against Christ (because, of course, up to and probably after St. Paul I doubt the word "Christian" would have made much sense to anyone - even Roman authors like Tacitus and Suetonius described Christianity as being a Jewish sect).

FWIW I dont agree with the ADL who seem to be saying that the history should be changed so as to remove those individuals from the picture so as to present it as simply "Christ against the Romans" - reading the ADL article here reads in places as if Gibson is remaking Jud Suss.

I shall be trying to watch this to see how Gibson deals with it, though I fear that the various anti-semites across the world will hail the film for all the wrong reasons.
 
I don't know Gibson's stand on gun control

If you mean using both hands and hitting the target, he's for it. If you mean depriving people of the right to self-defense, he's come out as strongly against it.
 
If you mean using both hands and hitting the target, he's for it. If you mean depriving people of the right to self-defense, he's come out as strongly against it.

Proof? I've read more ambivalent things from him, such that I could see him as "guns for me, but not for you."
 
his interview on primetime with diane sawyer last night about his Passion movie was great
he seemed very genuine on camera and pretty much said that he rejected the sex-booze-drugs life of hollywood because it wasnt fulfilling and turned to God, and thats when the seeds of this movie were born
I think making it was very brave and I cant wait to go see it and support that venture
BSR
 
… One of the female actresses says to this male actress [sic] “you’re going to get laid tonight†and leans over and kisses him.

***!?!?!?!? i cannot believe this garbage!…

Ah, irony!

~G. Fink
 
I'm not religious, but I'd go to see it to prove the naysayers and critics (most of whom lean left) that they don't matter and films can be successful without them and Gibson isn't washed up over this. IOW, screw them.
 
For antisemitism you can check the new testament; John, IIRC, had some blistering remarks about "the Jews" in his gospel. No wonder they don't care for it.
 
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