Mexico gets new infantry rifle

[Hoppy590]

anyone know more about the mexican G3 copy. my milsurp sense is tingleing.

lets hope for ammo and parts kits at the least!

 

[PercyShelley]

The Germans keep fiddling with sub-.22 calibers like the 4.6x30mm for their PDWs, and the like. The FN P90 and FN5.7 are in, well, 5.7mm.

To say nothing of the g11, that was 4.3mm.

If anything, the trend is towards itty bitty bullets. These will be a great boon in the war on lice.

 

[MD_Willington]

So... since the people of Mexico can bare arms (under certain conditions)... any chance they will get a version of this rifle chambered in a calibre that their military is NOT using

 

[zinj]

Why replace the G3?

Probably getting worn out and they don't want to sign another contract with H&K. Plus molded plastic is cheaper.

 

[kcmarine]

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Also, are other countries not advancing by moving from a 5.56 to a larger round with more knock down power, even in the urban warfare?

Since when? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any country that is moving towards larger-bore systems, and can think of tons that have moved smaller and smaller.

The Germans keep fiddling with sub-.22 calibers like the 4.6x30mm for their PDWs, and the like. The FN P90 and FN5.7 are in, well, 5.7mm.

Contrary to the "Hooray for .45 and .308" vibe on gunboards, very few militaries are rushing to haul out 1911s and M14s. I know that there are some units that have them, but in over a year in Iraq I saw one M14 (belonging to an EOD team) and one 1911.

G36 copy for Mexico? Makes sense to me.

Not trying to dismiss your real world experience here (if you were in the military, thank you), but we are using the 6.8 in certain situations. Of course, that round isn't very widespread right now. The 5.56 is a great urban warfare round, but my guess is our military wants something that can go through a greater variety of materials found in the urban battlefield. You probably know more about this than I do...

 

[Dirty Bob]

The G-3s I've seen in the hands of troops in Mexico are often pretty worn-looking, in terms of finish. I have no idea how much they've been fired (probably not much) or how well they've been maintained.

My understanding is that the people of Mexico are heavily restricted in regards to firearms, so I doubt they'll benefit from any milsurps. Maybe the Mexican gummint will send some ammo and parts up this way!

I wish them well with their new rifle. I wish I could take a look at one up close, but I doubt they'd allow a tourist-type to borrow one for a little while.

Regards,
Dirty Bob

 

[Bart Noir]

Hmmm, my previous post was a violation and was deservedly deleted. So, with recently smacked knuckles I will address the actual rifle.

This is our close neighbor, and there are many companies operating across the common border. So let us dream......

Some US company gets linked up with the armory that is building these, and kits come across the border and get just the required number of US parts. And we have a new semi-auto to buy! Springfield Armory, are you listening?

Bart Noir
Hey, that might be a fine idea. You saw it here first

 

[HorseSoldier]

Not trying to dismiss your real world experience here (if you were in the military, thank you), but we are using the 6.8 in certain situations. Of course, that round isn't very widespread right now. The 5.56 is a great urban warfare round, but my guess is our military wants something that can go through a greater variety of materials found in the urban battlefield. You probably know more about this than I do...

From your screen name, I'm assuming some USMC back ground, which prompts a question -- I've heard that the USMC has looked at 6.8 Rem SPC, possibly even field tested it some down range, but have heard nothing about it being given any sort of official nod from the Corps.

It's previous proponent, USASOC, dropped it entirely after giving it combat trials with 5th SFG(A) -- payoff just did not justify the trouble, particularly when the bigger bore's strengths could be handled with 77 grain Mk 262 5.56mm ammo. I had high hopes of someone handing me a 6.8 Rem SPC SCAR-L sometime in the near future, but it now appears that when I get my greedy paws on one later this FY, it's going to be shooting the same old green tip.

Unless the Corps has gone from official interest to official endorsement, I'd have to say that a bigger bore service rifle than 5.56mm is pretty currently a dead issue. May change in the future, and I think there are some valid arguments for (and against) the change, but seems dead at the moment.

 

[kcmarine]

Sorry about the confusion. I have no military background (though my cousin is in the Marines). I actually got the name through playing the game Halo. The soldiers on that game (set about 500 years in the future) are called Marines, but the have a more space- based mission. I got into that game pretty hard, and started using Marine1 as my gamertag. I would use Marine1, my name on ModHalo.net, but that's taken. So I use kcmarine. I guess I'll change it someday, or get my age up there in the avatar. I'm 15.



Thanks for the info on the 6.8's situation in the Corps. Didn't know that.

 

[rangerruck]

man!!! h&K should start the lawsuit right now!!! a total copy of their program for their prototype they developed for the American military.

 

[rangerruck]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/hk_g36c.jpg

 

[PercyShelley]

H&K was going to go forward with a lawsuit, but as the OP mentions, they dropped it for obscure reasons.

Goodness, could you imagine what would happen if the Russians tried to sue everyone making an unauthorized kalashnikov clone? Oh the humanity!

Were the issues with heatguards and stocks failing in the G36 addressed?

 

[12GA00buck]

It would have been a nice gesture if the new rifles were chambered in 6.5mm Grendel or 6.8 SPC. Probably would have given them a bit more protection against HK litigation.

 

[Lucky]

Those interested could compare this to the Norwegian copy, I believe they're the most similar.