(MI) Man found guilty in killing of rattlesnake

Status
Not open for further replies.

Drizzt

Member
Joined
Dec 24, 2002
Messages
2,647
Location
Moscow on the Colorado, TX
Man found guilty in killing of rattlesnake

Whitmore Lake man claims self-defense

Thursday, May 1, 2003

BY LIZ COBBS
News Staff Reporter





A 47-year-old Whitmore Lake man was found guilty Wednesday of a charge seldom brought in Michigan - killing an Eastern Massasauga rattlesnake, the state's only venomous snake.


With the evidence - a frozen, decapitated rattlesnake bagged in plastic - stored in a small ice cooler, James Galloway was convicted by a six-member jury after a day-long trial of killing a protected reptile or amphibian without a state permit.

Galloway will be sentenced June 26. The misdemeanor charge carries a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a $500 fine.

"I'm stunned that the snake had more rights than a human being," Galloway said after the trial.

The rattlesnake is considered a threatened species by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.

Galloway was charged with killing the 2-foot-long snake during an afternoon outing Aug. 9 with his two sons and their friend at Pickerel Lake in the Pinckney Recreation Area, 15 miles northwest of Ann Arbor.

He contends he was protecting nearby children and himself. He also said he didn't know it was a crime to kill the snake.

Galloway's attorney, Donnelly W. Hadden, asked 14A District Court Judge Richard Conlin to dismiss the case, arguing that the state law allows the DNR director to select which species need a permit to be killed, a selection that should be made by the state Legislature.

"I think this whole thing is silly," Hadden said after the trial.

Washtenaw County Assistant Prosecutor Jeaneth Kirkpatrick brought in an expert witness who described the characteristics and behaviors of the snake. Also testifying were two witnesses who saw Galloway with the rattlesnake, as well as a park ranger and conservation officer, who spoke with Galloway about what he did.

Galloway testified that while his two sons and their friend fished on the dock, he was headed up a narrow, sandy path to his pickup truck when he heard a hissing noise that he first thought was air. He then saw a rattlesnake about six to eight feet away. Galloway said he saw a young girl, who looked to be about 3 years old, coming down the path toward him and ahead of two adults, whom he assumed were her parents.

Galloway told them to stop the girl because there was a rattlesnake in the path.

Grabbing a nearby stick, Galloway said, he held the snake's head down, even though the snake struck out at the stick a couple of times, while the girl and her parents passed.

Galloway said he then picked up the snake, holding its head with his left hand and the body with his right hand, and took it to the dock area to show his sons and warn adults: "This is why you need to keep an eye on your children."

Jill Pernicano, who had just finished swimming, testified she questioned Galloway about the snake because she suspected it was an Eastern Massasauga, then she used her cell phone to call the DNR.

Meanwhile, Galloway said, he went to a wooded area near the parking lot intending to release the snake. He asked one of his sons to get a shovel out of his truck because he wanted to use it to scoop up the snake and toss it in the woods. But, Galloway said, he felt threatened when he put it on the ground and it came toward him. He then took the shovel and cut off the head, snapped the rattle off and threw the carcass in the woods.

Herpetologist Glenn Fox testified that he found Galloway's story unreasonable because an Eastern Massasauga will not strike a stick, is shy and will probably flee when approached.

To learn more about the rattlesnake and to find which species are protected by law, call the Michigan Department of Natural Resources' Wildlife section at (517) 373-1263 or visit the Web site at www.michigan.gov/dnr.


http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/in...tandard.xsl?/base/news-4/1051802482252720.xml

I've never seen a rattlesnake back down from much anything....
 
I like snakes and would probably try to avoid killing one encountered in the wild if possible. If I did have to kill a venomous snake that I felt was endangering myself or others, I'd do so immediately (*KA-WHACK*), prod it under some brush with a long stick and not run around showing it off
 
Sorry, cordex, but first off it seems to me the first action, of showing folks about potential danger was a Good Thing. Afterwards, not knowing any reason not to kill it, he did so when he got scared.

Pretty much a normal reaction for a very high percentage of all folks, seems to me. Not even a garden snake has a chance if my wife sees it. Shades of the Fat Broad in the "BC" comic strip!

Different places, different laws and notions. In most of the South, nobody would think twice about admitting to having done in a rattler, cottonmouth, copperhead or coral snake. Most folks would just say, "Thanks!"

And an angry snake will indeed strike at whatever's closest.

Art
 
Herpetologist Glenn Fox testified that he found Galloway's story unreasonable because an Eastern Massasauga will not strike a stick, is shy and will probably flee when approached.

I just love statements of absolute, set-in-concete fact based on a supposed expert's opinion.

A while back a co-worker who is an avid hiker was planning a trip to Yosemite for a couple weeks of hiking. I was ragging on him about getting eat by a bear and he gave me the line that bears were afraind of people and would run away unless threatened or you were messing with mama bear's baby. Anyway he would carry an air horn to scare any bears that got too close. His statement was in his mind a fact because some bear expert said so.

A short while after he returned from vacation, I believe it was in east Tennessee, a hiker was killed by a black bear. No provocation by the hiker, no baby bears around, the bear just decided to attack. Facts are great if you are not the exception to the rule.
 
The rattlesnake is considered a threatened species by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources.

The kicker here is that under current environmentalist policies, any state or federal environmental agency can declare any species "threatened", if they have something to gain from doing so. It's a favorite trick of the Enviro-Nazis when they need a way to deprive people of their property rights. Wanna build a fence on your property? Sorry, the threatened species of...ummm....Eastern Appalachian Rattlesnake lives just over there in those woods, and they migrate through your land on the way to those warm rocks over there during the day. Build a fence, and we'll make you tear it down and then fine you or throw you in jail.

Under the current dictate of politically correct environmentalism (the new State religion), animal "rights" always trump human rights. We're a cancer of this planet, see, and any human activity on the land is an infringement on animals or plants.
 
new state religion...

Great. Let's build an animal totem pole and dance around it. :rolleyes:
 
Grabbing a nearby stick, Galloway said, he held the snake's head down, even though the snake struck out at the stick a couple of times, while the girl and her parents passed.

Galloway should have let the girl get bit by the snake.

Jill Pernicano, who had just finished swimming, testified she questioned Galloway about the snake because she suspected it was an Eastern Massasauga, then she used her cell phone to call the DNR.

Galloway should have thrown the snake into the lake where Jill Pernicano was swimming at.

Herpetologist Glenn Fox testified that he found Galloway's story unreasonable because an Eastern Massasauga will not strike a stick, is shy and will probably flee when approached.

Galloway should have asked Herpetologist Glenn Fox to grab a stick, while Galloway got another annoyed snake and put it near Glenn Fox.



:fire: :cuss: :fire:
 
LETS NOT

:eek:
USUALLY YOU MUST DANCE AROUND IT (THE TOTUM) NAKED, PROBABLY NOT A GOOD SUGESTION WITH THIS CROWD.:what:
 
Jill Pernicano, who had just finished swimming, testified she questioned Galloway about the snake because she suspected it was an Eastern Massasauga, then she used her cell phone to call the DNR.
Busybodies will be the death of our country as we know it.
 
Herpetologist Glenn Fox testified that he found Galloway's story unreasonable because an Eastern Massasauga will not strike a stick, is shy and will probably flee when approached.


Not after being pinned, poked, and handled.

Shoot, shovel, shut up.

Guy got in trouble b/c he wanted to play show-and-tell, not considering evironazis have informants everywhere.
 
Unfortunately, I'm very prejudiced against snakes. The Fat Broad, Art's wife and I are in total agreement on this. Since heart failure can result in death, I consider all snakes hazardous to my health.

So I've reached an understanding with all snakes living in central Florida. If I don't see them, they have the right to live a long and healthy life. If we come in contact with each other, one of us is going to cease being alive.
 
A couple of questions:

When he let it go, why didn't he toss it far enough away that it couldn't bite him?

Why, after releasing it, didn't he just leave? I don't believe he couldn't have beat feet quicker than using the shovel.

While I don't agree with all wildlife regulations, I can't see killing a protected animal unnecessarily.

Maybe there's more to this than I know.
 
While I don't agree with all wildlife regulations, I can't see killing a protected animal unnecessarily.

It wasn't "protected", it was designated "threatened". The difference here is that the definition of "threatened" means that the EPA or DNR say that this is so....even if the woods contain millions of rattlers.

"Threatened" is Envirospeak for "any species that comes into contact with man and is perceived as being inconvenienced, traumatized, or annoyed by the presence of nasty humans".
 
The net result will be the opposite of the law's intention. this action has alerted homeowners and others that any such snake on their property might result in their loss of property rights so folks who would otherwise leave such critters alone will now kill them out of hand and hide the evidence.

This happens down south all the time with several species of endangered birds, turtles and even mice. People who fear the Corps of Engineers or other governemnt agency will rezone their property or throw up a protective cordon around it will go to great lengths to kill off these critters as quickly as possible.

Some years ago I saw it happen at a pond owned by a botanical garden club when a rare turtle was found on their property. Someone killed every turtle in the pond using a .22, poison and trot lines. My kids were little and I recall we were shocked and horrified to visit the pond to feed te turtles and fish and discover dozens of dead turtles floating in the water.

It happens all along the coast whenever developers find endangered dune mice. They set out poison and release common rats and cats (both of which eat mice) to rid themselves of the problem then when the corps comes along asking questions they just plead ignorance.

Whenever you see a law creating political crimes like this remember the rule of opposite intentions. The law will achieve results opposite the intended ones. :fire:
 
Here's extracts of the Michigan Law:

324.36501 Definitions.
Sec. 36501.

As used in this part:
(h) “Threatened species†means any species which is likely to become an endangered species within the foreseeable future throughout all or a significant portion of its range.

324.36505 Prohibitions; exceptions.
Sec. 36505.

(1) Except as otherwise provided in this part, a person shall not take, possess, transport, import, export, process, sell, offer for sale, buy, or offer to buy, and a common or contract carrier shall not transport or receive for shipment, any species of fish, plants, or wildlife appearing on the following lists:

(a) The list of fish, plants, and wildlife indigenous to the state determined to be endangered or threatened within the state pursuant to section 36503 or subsection (3).

(b) The United States list of endangered or threatened native fish and wildlife.

(c) The United States list of endangered or threatened plants.

(d) The United States list of endangered or threatened foreign fish and wildlife...

(5) Upon good cause shown and where necessary to alleviate damage to property or to protect human health, endangered or threatened species found on the state list compiled pursuant to section 36503 and subsection (3) may be removed, captured, or destroyed, but only pursuant to a permit issued by the department. Carnivorous animals found on the state list may be removed, captured, or destroyed by any person in emergency situations involving an immediate threat to human life, but the removal, capture, or destruction shall be reported to the department within 24 hours of the act....

324.36507 Violation; penalty.
Sec. 36507.

A person who violates this part or who fails to procure any permit required under this part is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or a fine of not more than $1,000.00 or less than $100.00, or both.


History: Add. 1995, Act 59, Imd. Eff. May 24, 1995 ;--Am. 1996, Act 128, Imd. Eff. Mar. 13, 1996 .

Popular Name: Act 451


Now, as this was a six day trial there probably was more testimony than the paper is reporting so we're not getting the full story.

The guy goofed and even admits it. He holds the snake down for the girl to pass, then picks it up and carries it around and shows it off, then takes it to the woods to "let it go" then "becomes scared" and kills it: "He then took the shovel and cut off the head, snapped the rattle off

Bet he wanted a souviner. Bet the DNR didn't like that. Bet the jury didn't either.

Without knowledge of the full case, I'm not passing judgement on the court, nor the jury.

Be a big boy Mr. Galloway, pay your fine and go home. (..and get a better lawyer!)
 
Want to know why I think he had a not so good lawyer? Check this out:

Extract for the Michigan ENDANGERED AND THREATENED SPECIES list:

R 299.1025 Reptiles.
Rule 5. (1) The following species of reptiles are included on the state
list of endangered species:
(a) Clonophis kirtlandii (Kennicott) Kirtland's snake
(b) Nerodia erythrogaster neglecta (Conant) Copperbelly watersnake
(2) The following species of reptiles are included on the state list of
threatened species:
(a) Elaphe vulpina gloydi Conant Eastern fox snake
(b) Clemmys guttata Spotted turtle

History: 1954 ACS 89, Eff. Dec. 4, 1976; 1979 AC; 1979 ACS 1, Eff.
Feb. 7, 1980; 1979 ACS 13, Eff. Feb. 24, 1983; 1987 MR 9, Eff. Sept. 22,
1987; 1991 MR 10, Eff. Nov. 15, 1991; 1999 MR 3, Eff. Mar. 21, 1999.

source: http://www.state.mi.us/orr/emi/admincode.asp?AdminCode=Single&Admin_Num=29901021&Dpt=NR&RngHigh=

Now I'm just a dumb old grunt but I don't see Eastern Massasauga rattlesnake on the list. (Unless its AKA Elaphe vulpina gloydi Conant, Eastern fox snake)

On the Michigan Special Animals List ( http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12141_12168-32950--,00.html)
the Eastern Massasauga rattlesnake is listed as "Special Concern," which the DNR defines as: "Also included in this list are animal species of Special Concern (SC). While not afforded legal protection under the Act, many of these species are of concern because of declining or relict populations in the state. Should these species continue to decline, they would be recommended for Threatened or Endangered status. Protection of Special Concern species now, before they reach dangerously low population levels, would prevent the need to list them in the future by maintaining adequate numbers of self-sustaining populations within Michigan. Some other potentially rare species are listed as Special Concern pending more precise information on their status in the state; when such information becomes available, they could be moved to threatened or endangered status or deleted from the list."


So I still think that the woman's cell phone call was kind of fishy...

...and I think Mr. Galloway had a bumpkin for a lawyer!
 
The shame is, the fact he even needs a shuyster for killing the stinkin' reptile! Can't have anyone killing the King's animals now can we? If I find one in my back yard, it's dead, filleted, and gone.
The hag with the cell phone should see a doctor to have her head removed from her posterior! I know her, she's the one who used to run to the teacher and say "Teacher, teacher, Bob's reading comic books and listening to his transistor radio in class!"
 
Lendsringer, if it's designated "threatened", then it's protected by law. As I said, I don't agree with some of the designations, but I do live with them. In any event, the snake did not have to be killed unless there's more to this than has been reported.

I don't know how many of these snakes there are in the wild, so I don't have an opinion on whether or not they're really "threatened". Here in CO we have "threatened" prairie dogs that really aren't, and we also have "threatened" peregrine falcons that really are. I guess from that I'd say that sometimes the designations are right and sometimes they're BS.
 
...and as the denizens of Western states learned long ago with regard to wolves, coyotes, and such, as well as South African farmers have with leopards:

"Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up"

Nothing like government "protection" to ensure the eradication of a species.
 
"I'm stunned that the snake had more rights than a human being," Galloway said after the trial.


What a dork! The snake did not have more rights than he did. He obviously does not understand how the law works. Plus, it was Galloway who instigated the incident and put himself and his kids in danger when he picked up the snake. Notice that he didn't feel threatened until AFTER he put the snake down. At that point, the snake was the one being threatened, not Galloway, and the snake acted defensively in a situation of Galloway's creation. Prior to picking up the snake, the snake was doing what it was supposed to do and had not endangered anyone. It may have hissed or rattled, but that is a warning and not a threat.

I take it form the article that he cut off the snake's head and tail, keeping those as trophies, when he through the rest of the carcass into the woods. Is that right?

Ignorance of the law is not a valid legal defense.

When I took herpetology back in the 80s, the instructor had a whole book of newspaper clippings and other written accounts of how people got bitten by snakes. Very few of the folks were bitten for no (reported) apparent reason. Some were bitten when they stepped, kneeling, or stepping on a snake. If they looked where they were going, they could have avoided the bites. Still more cases were by folks who were doing stuff like picking black or dewberries. Many snakes take shelter under such types of plants because the plants' thorns offer protection. Then some silly human comes along, sticking his hand down into the bushes without looking to close.

What I found very Darwinian was the fact that the majority of bites and especially the vast majority of hospital reports on venomous snake bites were to folks who were trying to kill the snake. The most common blunder was in attempting to use a stick, rock (hand held), or shovel that was too short. Another was trying to chop up the snake with a pocket knife or machete. What really made these accounts humerous is that the bitten folks often went out of their way to try to kill the snakes, filling a need to kill it since that simply just spotted it, not because it had previously attacked them or was trying to attack them before they starting messing with it.

While there were a few of these incidents reported, I really liked the "Dumb and Dumber" stories where the injury was not a snake bite, but either self inflicted or buddy assisted injuries that occured while trying to dispatch snakes. While attempting to chop off the snake's head with a machete, one guy chopped off part of three three of his fingers that were being used to hold down the snake. Another suffered ricochet wounds while shooting a snake that was on a rock. One guy was hit in the head with a shovel when his panicked buddy was trying to club the snake. The injured fellow was behind the guy with the shovel and was apparently struck during the back swing!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top