TMB2
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Anyone who thinks that Michael Moore isn't anti-gun should read this analysis of his "documentary" called "Bowling for Columbine:"
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Michael Moore pro-gun?
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Thumper
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TMB2
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Hardly "breaking news" "Thumper" but maybe required reading for the edification of those who might agree with a recent poster who considers "Bowling for Columbine" to be "a social statement, not an anti-gun one."
Thumper
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No offense meant to anybody, but I found it impossible that a member here would lack the political acuity to realize that friggin' Michael Moore, of all people, is a shill for the anti gunners.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
EghtySx
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Michael Moore, like most rabid antis, is not entirely anti-gun. These people are just against us mere peons having guns. It's not a gun thing at all but a socioeconomic class thing.
thorn726
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i didnt find him anti gun, just more like anti stupid americans that use them the wrong way.
like the whole thing about
Canada. it isnt the guns, it is parts of our society.
and then there's the part about (bronson? who was it?)
speaking at an NRA rally the day after a little girl was shot.
these kinds of things are weird. nobody found a gun rally centered around a murder a little odd?
these little shots are what made the movie punch "anti gun"
the movie comes off as anti gun to most people who cant really grasp the full message. so the effect of the movie on the general public is totally anti gun, but what Moore actually says in the movie=
it really is more of a social statement.
hehe- most of the statement however, is that too many idiots are allowed to have guns.
that people in Canada are smart enough to own them, and we arent.
i really got annoyed at the way he , Moore didnt seem to personally oppose guns, yet he kept trying to prove most people would do the wrong thing with them.
like the whole thing about
Canada. it isnt the guns, it is parts of our society.
and then there's the part about (bronson? who was it?)
speaking at an NRA rally the day after a little girl was shot.
these kinds of things are weird. nobody found a gun rally centered around a murder a little odd?
these little shots are what made the movie punch "anti gun"
the movie comes off as anti gun to most people who cant really grasp the full message. so the effect of the movie on the general public is totally anti gun, but what Moore actually says in the movie=
it really is more of a social statement.
hehe- most of the statement however, is that too many idiots are allowed to have guns.
that people in Canada are smart enough to own them, and we arent.
i really got annoyed at the way he , Moore didnt seem to personally oppose guns, yet he kept trying to prove most people would do the wrong thing with them.
thorn726
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ok that makes me feel a LOT better about the NRA.
(the article goes on with better details)
still , i hold to that Moore partly used the anti gun to the hilt for his own profits, and like i said, he is not so much anti gun, as much as an idiot with a superiority complex=
he and some people are fine with guns, but most people shouldnt be allowed to have them.
a really really frustrating stance.
SpaceCowboy
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Canada. Standing Wolf
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More like talking about the intellectual lives of cockroaches.
mmike87
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"Stupid White Men" - the story of white limousine liberals in America.
Michael Moore is pro Michael Moore. Michael will do anything is his power to keep himself in the media and on peoples minds. Michael Moore is pro Michael's bank account. Seems to have found a way to make a very good living without much work or overlhead. Just because he uses topics that irritate several people, where would be the discourse if he made films about things that didn't irritate anybody.
ksnecktieman
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Thorn?????? Have you seen "bowling"? If not you should, and when you do? Watch Charleton Heston's shirt, and the curtains behind him change colors, as mm edits his speeches and makes things he did not say come out of Heston's mouth. According to the source I read, most of that speech was made in Georgia months before the Columbine shooting.
Don Gwinn
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I guess some people haven't seen this stuff yet.
Thorn:
1. Moore made up that stuff about Heston speaking at a gun rally in Flint after the little girl was killed (he also said it happened because the mother of the shooter was forced to get a job when her welfare ran out.) Heston did NOT speak in Flint after the murder. The next time he was in the area was eight months later while campaigning for a political candidate, and Michael Moore was there on the SAME day for the SAME purpose (different candidate, though.)
2. The whole comparison of Canada to the U.S. was bogus too. If you compare U.S. cities similar in size to the Canadian cities Moore cited (and about the same distance from the Canadian border) you find that the U.S. cities actually have less crime.
Thorn:
1. Moore made up that stuff about Heston speaking at a gun rally in Flint after the little girl was killed (he also said it happened because the mother of the shooter was forced to get a job when her welfare ran out.) Heston did NOT speak in Flint after the murder. The next time he was in the area was eight months later while campaigning for a political candidate, and Michael Moore was there on the SAME day for the SAME purpose (different candidate, though.)
2. The whole comparison of Canada to the U.S. was bogus too. If you compare U.S. cities similar in size to the Canadian cities Moore cited (and about the same distance from the Canadian border) you find that the U.S. cities actually have less crime.
thorn726
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i know guys, if you look, i said i saw the article, the heston thing, or more importantly the NRA things were not planned (or were planned, far in advance) , etc.
yes i have seen it.
whether the info about Canada was wrong or not, the whole movie, really, it struck me as more anti idiot than anti gun.
i am not arguing that it's final intention was not anti gun, it is the Biggest tool in anti gun out there, but mainly because the avg viewer is too stupid to get the full message
to me, moore himself came off as someone , who , like i already said, thinks guns are ok for some people, but he just doesnt feel like most americans are safe with them.
and who is the movie aimed at??? Parents. parents of kids who will think to themselves "i dont want any idiots shooting my kids".
how can anyone blame anyone besides those kids parents in Columbine?
(or the kids themsleves).
i dont know, someone asked was moore pro gun, this was my take on it.
what his impact is on the rest of the world is irrelevant to that point.
what i saw was some guy who thought everyone in america but him was too dumb to own a gun.
yes i have seen it.
whether the info about Canada was wrong or not, the whole movie, really, it struck me as more anti idiot than anti gun.
i am not arguing that it's final intention was not anti gun, it is the Biggest tool in anti gun out there, but mainly because the avg viewer is too stupid to get the full message
to me, moore himself came off as someone , who , like i already said, thinks guns are ok for some people, but he just doesnt feel like most americans are safe with them.
and who is the movie aimed at??? Parents. parents of kids who will think to themselves "i dont want any idiots shooting my kids".
how can anyone blame anyone besides those kids parents in Columbine?
(or the kids themsleves).
i dont know, someone asked was moore pro gun, this was my take on it.
what his impact is on the rest of the world is irrelevant to that point.
what i saw was some guy who thought everyone in america but him was too dumb to own a gun.
thorn726
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uh wait what the heck are you saying about Canada??
so they have more guns and more crime? not sure why that helps your point.
moore said iun the movie essentially a HUGE percentage of the CAn pop. has guns, but the gun violence numbers are lower.
all that says is americans shoot each other, canadians shoot targets and deer.
that people in Can are smart enough to own guns safely, we arent.
kinda makes me annoyed.
the pop size vs crime is not relevant , it is the number of gun owners vs gun crime. i feel his stats are accurate.
the whoile thing at the end of the movie there was to somewhat balance all his anti gun nonsense with a slap in the face that it really isnt the guns, it is the people, the screwy culture, the lack of parental guidance that makes guns unsafe in the US.
the oldest saying
"guns don't kill people , people kill people"
with a healthy dose of "big corps only care about profits regardless of life"
thrown in.
HEY= as someone near the fence, it was supposed to make me anti gun, and here i am. anti IDIOT. not anti gun.
(ok im nowhere near the fence but anyway)
this guy really said it =
so they have more guns and more crime? not sure why that helps your point.
moore said iun the movie essentially a HUGE percentage of the CAn pop. has guns, but the gun violence numbers are lower.
all that says is americans shoot each other, canadians shoot targets and deer.
that people in Can are smart enough to own guns safely, we arent.
kinda makes me annoyed.
the pop size vs crime is not relevant , it is the number of gun owners vs gun crime. i feel his stats are accurate.
the whoile thing at the end of the movie there was to somewhat balance all his anti gun nonsense with a slap in the face that it really isnt the guns, it is the people, the screwy culture, the lack of parental guidance that makes guns unsafe in the US.
the oldest saying
"guns don't kill people , people kill people"
with a healthy dose of "big corps only care about profits regardless of life"
thrown in.
HEY= as someone near the fence, it was supposed to make me anti gun, and here i am. anti IDIOT. not anti gun.
(ok im nowhere near the fence but anyway)
this guy really said it =
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