Deavis
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Sweet! New York v. FOPA!
Michael Moore's Bodyguard Arrested on Airport Gun Charge
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deej
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What I get from that link is that the bodyguard in question doesn't work directly for MM, but in fact works for Gavin de Becker (a noted anti in his own right, who owns a company that specializes in providing armed security to celebrities - but that's a tale for another day), and has in the past been assigned to protect MM. IOW, this guy's W-2 doesn't read "Michael Moore," but reads "Gavin de Becker & Associates."
So, this particular individual (sic) may or may not have been assigned to MM at the time of his arrest; however, the fact that MM outsources his security to a firm that employs armed bodyguards is incontrovertible (and amusing).
gc70
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The rebuttal to the Fox News story looks like a carefully 'lawyered' crock.
The company carefully avoids saying whether Burk has ever been assigned to guard MM.
The company also carefully states that Burk was not protecting or involved with MM "on Wednesday night when he (Burk) was checking in at JFK..."
The language used to say Burk "is not MM's bodyguard" is followed by an interesting misdirection regarding being Clinton's bodyguard.
Consider this. Burk might not be "MM's bodyguard," but only one of several of the company's bodyguards periodically assigned to MM. And Burk might not have been "protecting or involved with" MM when he checked in at JFK, but he could have been en route to perform those services at another location.
In short, the rebuttal only says that Burk wasn't guarding MM at JFK on Wednesday night.
I think I prefer to believe the part of the Fox New story where Burk claimed to be MM's bodyguard; most people aren't too confused about what they do for a living.
So we now know that Burk works for a bodyguard company.
The company carefully avoids saying whether Burk has ever been assigned to guard MM.
The company also carefully states that Burk was not protecting or involved with MM "on Wednesday night when he (Burk) was checking in at JFK..."
The language used to say Burk "is not MM's bodyguard" is followed by an interesting misdirection regarding being Clinton's bodyguard.
Consider this. Burk might not be "MM's bodyguard," but only one of several of the company's bodyguards periodically assigned to MM. And Burk might not have been "protecting or involved with" MM when he checked in at JFK, but he could have been en route to perform those services at another location.
In short, the rebuttal only says that Burk wasn't guarding MM at JFK on Wednesday night.
I think I prefer to believe the part of the Fox New story where Burk claimed to be MM's bodyguard; most people aren't too confused about what they do for a living.
Luckyorwhat
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Lol, damn you guys are bloodthirsty. Even when you find you are gnawing on a turnip you keep looking for blood.
I guess this means that a dozen people should lose their jobs, they lied in news, didn't fact-check, got caught. Time to fire their asses, right? That's what most people said about Rather.
Deej - "What I get from that link is that the bodyguard in question doesn't work directly for MM... and has in the past been assigned to protect MM."
Brother, you get what you want to get, that much is clear. Just because the article says,
"Patrick Burk is not Michael Moore’s bodyguard, and has never been employed by Michael Moore."
Mike Hull - "Another bloated swine that also seems to go to yassar arafat's barber for shaves."
Well, it's nice to see how strongly you support your country's troops. Really, you should be ashamed of yourself. Hoo-ah, get a shave you fat bloated swines!
"Patrick Burk is a former Marine who served with distinction in an elite and specialized Marine unit, and he protected, among others, then-President Clinton."
I guess this means that a dozen people should lose their jobs, they lied in news, didn't fact-check, got caught. Time to fire their asses, right? That's what most people said about Rather.
Deej - "What I get from that link is that the bodyguard in question doesn't work directly for MM... and has in the past been assigned to protect MM."
Brother, you get what you want to get, that much is clear. Just because the article says,
"Patrick Burk is not Michael Moore’s bodyguard, and has never been employed by Michael Moore."
Mike Hull - "Another bloated swine that also seems to go to yassar arafat's barber for shaves."
Well, it's nice to see how strongly you support your country's troops. Really, you should be ashamed of yourself. Hoo-ah, get a shave you fat bloated swines!
"Patrick Burk is a former Marine who served with distinction in an elite and specialized Marine unit, and he protected, among others, then-President Clinton."
Henry Bowman
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So, this story turned out to be exactly as I expected. Folks, please consider that most "news stories" are reported with this same level of accuracy, but the correction, if it comes at all, is even less noticed.
As suspected, he was not "carrying," he was transporting lawfully, unloaded and locked in luggage. He is probably not the first victim of this tyranny. I don't use that term lightly. NYC is enforcing a local law, a law that sprang from fear and ignorance, in direct violation of not only the Constitution, but of a specific federal law (FOPA) put into place to protect free and lawful interstate travel.
I hope that the NRA comes to his defense. Actually, the US Justice Department should come to his defense and challenge this bigoted civil rights violation being perpetrated by a rouge state (or subdivision thereof).
As suspected, he was not "carrying," he was transporting lawfully, unloaded and locked in luggage. He is probably not the first victim of this tyranny. I don't use that term lightly. NYC is enforcing a local law, a law that sprang from fear and ignorance, in direct violation of not only the Constitution, but of a specific federal law (FOPA) put into place to protect free and lawful interstate travel.
I hope that the NRA comes to his defense. Actually, the US Justice Department should come to his defense and challenge this bigoted civil rights violation being perpetrated by a rouge state (or subdivision thereof).
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aguyindallas
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As usual, the media got this thing messed up and it got a bunch of us worked up.
Think for a second...this is exactly what drives the lifestyle of the average gun grabbing liberal. They see/read/hear a story, get all excited about it and then create some crappy law to "protect" themselves.
We (gun owners) got all worked up about it and jumped to conclusions.
The fact is, it sounds like this guy is actually on our sides. He (appears) to be a law abiding citizen, checking a weapin into the airlines luggage system. If he played by the rules and the TSA did the wrong thing, then shame on them. There is nothing wrong with this guy owning a gun in my eyes, so long as he is permitted to by law.
Think for a second...this is exactly what drives the lifestyle of the average gun grabbing liberal. They see/read/hear a story, get all excited about it and then create some crappy law to "protect" themselves.
We (gun owners) got all worked up about it and jumped to conclusions.
The fact is, it sounds like this guy is actually on our sides. He (appears) to be a law abiding citizen, checking a weapin into the airlines luggage system. If he played by the rules and the TSA did the wrong thing, then shame on them. There is nothing wrong with this guy owning a gun in my eyes, so long as he is permitted to by law.
Henry Bowman
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The big question is, was he traveling through New York, or had he traveled to New York and was trying to leave? Could make all the difference in the world as to whether FOPA protects him.
Oleg Volk
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Friends travelling through from Long Island had the same problem, had to show LEO credentials to get out of the situation. Friend who is moving to CT said that he won't dare drive through NY state with guns due to fishing expeditions by enforcement officers against people with out of state plates and moving trailers. Seems that NY state is severely messed up, and at least some of its "public servants" are quite literally mortal enemies of decent humans.
Luckyorwhat
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Sorry Mike Hull, I look it over and that was out of line, you had no way to know. Sorry again.
Yes I agree that the poor guy deserves some sympathy, if I were him I'd say anything at all to get the hell out of state and never go back. "Hey officer numbnuts - I protected the freaking President, wanna cut me some slack? Who the hell are you protecting?"
Yes I agree that the poor guy deserves some sympathy, if I were him I'd say anything at all to get the hell out of state and never go back. "Hey officer numbnuts - I protected the freaking President, wanna cut me some slack? Who the hell are you protecting?"
Stevie-Ray
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This can be a true statement even if he was MM's BG for years, as in "He is NOT MM's BG NOW, and Burk is employed by US, and therefore NEVER by MM." Very easy for MM to slink out of this on technicalities.
I don't really care what happened, just pointing out the obvious. And besides, I detest MM.
Mike Hull
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luckyorwhat, don't EVER throw that sort of patriotism thing at me!
I can't for the life of me figure where on earth you can make a connection between what I said about that bodyguard, to lacking respect for this country's troops. Reading comprehension is your friend. Try it!
I was serving this country, in uniform, before you were born!!
ChickenHawk
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LOL! That's the best thing I've read all day!
Cheers,
ChickenHawk
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Carrying in NYS/NYC..
I have a non-restricted NY CPL so maybe I can throw a little light on NYS/NYC handgun laws. The handgun law in NYS/NYC is very clear. The following is a quick synopsis. If you don't have a NY license.. you're busted. Now there are a few exceptions in the law such as compititions, passing through the state, etc. but they are few and far between.
NYS/NYC does allow one to travel through the state, but the handgun should be in a locked box and stored in the trunk of your vehicle. Your travel through the state/city must be continous.. with the a exception of having stopped for fuel, etc. One can't stop at Uncle Bill's or at a hotel/motel for the night.. or decide to spend a few hours at some roadside attraction. If that's done, then your trip is NOT considered continuous.. and thus you're subject to arrest.
Airport wise, as long as you DON'T take actual possession of your luggage then you're O.K. As a example. You fly in from (let's say) Indiana and transfer to your next flight ending some place in Vermont. As long as the airline is the one that transfers your luggage, and you DON'T take physical possession of your luggage, you're legal. On the other hand, if you drive/fly into NYS/NYC and have possession of the luggage with the handgun inside.. then you're in violation of NY's handgun laws and subject to arrest.
PACO..
In your post you said.. "Had all my paperwork had been given the OK by the airport. Even at the ticket counter,, they saw that it was locked up, ammo seperate blah, blah. All fine, right? Well when the port authority police came over, they said I was in NYC territory and my NJ license didn't count, but I was saying to them that I was in transit, and legal since I had just come from NJ and was going out to a state that doesn't give a fig about stupid gun laws."
Consider yourself "LUCKY", because you were breaking the law. See my above comments on airports. Here is a link to NYS/NYC handgun laws which will verify what I have written.
http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/new+york
FireStar_M40
I have a non-restricted NY CPL so maybe I can throw a little light on NYS/NYC handgun laws. The handgun law in NYS/NYC is very clear. The following is a quick synopsis. If you don't have a NY license.. you're busted. Now there are a few exceptions in the law such as compititions, passing through the state, etc. but they are few and far between.
NYS/NYC does allow one to travel through the state, but the handgun should be in a locked box and stored in the trunk of your vehicle. Your travel through the state/city must be continous.. with the a exception of having stopped for fuel, etc. One can't stop at Uncle Bill's or at a hotel/motel for the night.. or decide to spend a few hours at some roadside attraction. If that's done, then your trip is NOT considered continuous.. and thus you're subject to arrest.
Airport wise, as long as you DON'T take actual possession of your luggage then you're O.K. As a example. You fly in from (let's say) Indiana and transfer to your next flight ending some place in Vermont. As long as the airline is the one that transfers your luggage, and you DON'T take physical possession of your luggage, you're legal. On the other hand, if you drive/fly into NYS/NYC and have possession of the luggage with the handgun inside.. then you're in violation of NY's handgun laws and subject to arrest.
PACO..
In your post you said.. "Had all my paperwork had been given the OK by the airport. Even at the ticket counter,, they saw that it was locked up, ammo seperate blah, blah. All fine, right? Well when the port authority police came over, they said I was in NYC territory and my NJ license didn't count, but I was saying to them that I was in transit, and legal since I had just come from NJ and was going out to a state that doesn't give a fig about stupid gun laws."
Consider yourself "LUCKY", because you were breaking the law. See my above comments on airports. Here is a link to NYS/NYC handgun laws which will verify what I have written.
http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/new+york
FireStar_M40
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Seems to me that the bodyguards of several liberal lawmakers (TEDDY BOY!!) etc., have had similar problems, and weren't prosecuted like you and I would be.... 
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