Why not e-mail Mrs. Hart-McRay and let her know your feelings??? What ever happened to a little creative discretion? ZERO TOLERANCE has taken over and I am frankly tired of it.
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Middle school student arrested for carrying nails
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Kids bring condoms to school all the time, you don't see schools banning those. Aren't they are used for protection? They could be used as a weapon if one so desired to implement the idea. I used to carry a 4" lockback knife in high school. We never thought anything of guys with hunting rifles in their trucks. Of course I grew up in BFE, but that's even getting too politically correct these days. I actually wore a full woodland camo BDU for military day. It was complete with pistol belt and de-milled grenade 
Nobody every said anything about that. Now if there's a school emergency they herd all the kids into a few classrooms. That way the bad guy can find all the eggs in one basket. Anyone remember Pearl Harbor? Last year in college I packed my 1911 every day and never thought twice about it.
Nobody every said anything about that. Now if there's a school emergency they herd all the kids into a few classrooms. That way the bad guy can find all the eggs in one basket. Anyone remember Pearl Harbor? Last year in college I packed my 1911 every day and never thought twice about it.280PLUS
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Well, it's a good thing those weren't ASSAULT nails!! Then they'd really be deadly!! 
Owen
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Ms. Hart-McRay,
Thank you, for arresting the boy with the nails in his pocket. Due to your efforts, I am sure that there will be no unauthorized carpentry on your watch.
I really think you under-reacted. You should have closed the school for a week while specially trained teams scoured the school for other unauthorized construction material. MY GOD! There may be screws in the woodshop!!
Thank goodness my kids will be home-schooled, so they will never be subjected to this heinous environment. I just wonder, am I protecting them from nails, or am I protecting them from knee-jerk groupthink, asinine zero-tolerance policies, or a truly inferior education?
Owen Cramer
Columbia, SC
Ms. Hart-McRay,
Thank you, for arresting the boy with the nails in his pocket. Due to your efforts, I am sure that there will be no unauthorized carpentry on your watch.
I really think you under-reacted. You should have closed the school for a week while specially trained teams scoured the school for other unauthorized construction material. MY GOD! There may be screws in the woodshop!!
Thank goodness my kids will be home-schooled, so they will never be subjected to this heinous environment. I just wonder, am I protecting them from nails, or am I protecting them from knee-jerk groupthink, asinine zero-tolerance policies, or a truly inferior education?
Owen Cramer
Columbia, SC
CatsDieNow
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The TSA tried to bust me for my long nails not long after 9/11...right after they confiscated my nail clippers.
what42
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Just another item which reinforces my belief that Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence. Can these people not honestly look at a situation and make an informed decision instead of blanketly following stupid rules?
It's just so frustrating...
It's just so frustrating...
RevDisk
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Public schools are not institutions of learning, they are prisons. They need to be fixed, but I don't see it happening. Politics would never allow it. Lefties and righties would probably never agree on how to best "fix" the schools. Both want to re-write the books to promote their views.
My public school didn't have a problem with left wing loonies, we had a problem with right wing loonies. Our school board wanted to forbid ANY meantion of dinosaurs because they were not meantioned in the Bible. I am not kidding. They wanted warning labels on our science books proclaiming evolution is just a theory.
Wanna see a loonie choke on their own spit? Ask them if they want warning labels on all religious texts proclaiming they are also just a theory. I was being sarcastic, not serious. I just loved bucking the system. (People need to remember that "faith" means accepting without proof. I am a religious person, FYI) I did enjoy being accused of being "spawn of Satan" for questioning authority whenever they did something stupid, which was often.
They passed a resolution stating that neither single parent families nor homosexuals would be tolerated. It's one thing for "educators" to have an opinion on something. It's another to use their position to practically declare war on a small group of students that they are supposed to care about.
People on both ends of the political sprectrum are trying to destroy schools for their own ends. It's rather annoying, and it's harming our future generations.
PS, someone should tell the kid that a tightly rolled newspaper works as a baton. (Think for a second what paper is made of.) Let's see the school ban paper.
My public school didn't have a problem with left wing loonies, we had a problem with right wing loonies. Our school board wanted to forbid ANY meantion of dinosaurs because they were not meantioned in the Bible. I am not kidding. They wanted warning labels on our science books proclaiming evolution is just a theory.
Wanna see a loonie choke on their own spit? Ask them if they want warning labels on all religious texts proclaiming they are also just a theory. I was being sarcastic, not serious. I just loved bucking the system. (People need to remember that "faith" means accepting without proof. I am a religious person, FYI) I did enjoy being accused of being "spawn of Satan" for questioning authority whenever they did something stupid, which was often.
They passed a resolution stating that neither single parent families nor homosexuals would be tolerated. It's one thing for "educators" to have an opinion on something. It's another to use their position to practically declare war on a small group of students that they are supposed to care about.
People on both ends of the political sprectrum are trying to destroy schools for their own ends. It's rather annoying, and it's harming our future generations.
PS, someone should tell the kid that a tightly rolled newspaper works as a baton. (Think for a second what paper is made of.) Let's see the school ban paper.
Sindawe
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Geeezzzzz.... When I was in Middle School in the late '70s, we did not just have access to nails, but to pneumatic nail-guns as well! I guess we were just lucky that we did not go on a nail crazy rampage.
When I was in Middle School in the late '70s, we did not just have access to nails, but to pneumatic nail-guns as well! I guess we were just lucky that we did not go on a nail crazy rampage.The total lack of brain power in the public school administration has got me wondering about what is it that makes people seek this job.
My Mom worked in a big 2300 student high school for years. she was the office secy. there was an attendence lady, a nurse, and my mom. one principal. four administrators in a school of 2300, that same school with 400 fewer kids now has 21 full time administration, principal, asst principal, four student deans, two resourse (unarmed) officers, a student compliance officer, a diversity manager, and 11 AA's secretaries. The latest newsletter was beggging the district to raise a mil rate levy because the school was under staffed, and they might have to let teachers go in order to pay for staffing,(read that again slowly and see if it makes sense to you either.)
To understand these people who are so fearful of objects vs being fearful of people who want to commit evil acts against children requires a suspension of reality. They have spent so much time telling themselves that are no bad kids, only good kids who have been exposed to evil objects.
it is not the kids fault it is bad movies...
it is not the kids fault it is bad tv...
it is not the kids fault it is bad rap music...
it is not the kids fault it is bad evolution theory...
it is not the kids fault it is bad creation theory...
it is not the kids fault it is bad hair...
it is not the kids fault it is bad pants...
it is not the kids fault it is bad parents...
it is not the kids fault it is bad guns...
it is not the kids fault it is bad video games...
when the run out of know vices for the kids, they have to invent new ones or else the whole world will see that the emperor has no clothes.
after you plug in ten thousand variables, and nothing changes, maybe it is the constant that needs attention
They can not admit that they are wrong. to do so is economic suicide.
My Mom worked in a big 2300 student high school for years. she was the office secy. there was an attendence lady, a nurse, and my mom. one principal. four administrators in a school of 2300, that same school with 400 fewer kids now has 21 full time administration, principal, asst principal, four student deans, two resourse (unarmed) officers, a student compliance officer, a diversity manager, and 11 AA's secretaries. The latest newsletter was beggging the district to raise a mil rate levy because the school was under staffed, and they might have to let teachers go in order to pay for staffing,(read that again slowly and see if it makes sense to you either.)
To understand these people who are so fearful of objects vs being fearful of people who want to commit evil acts against children requires a suspension of reality. They have spent so much time telling themselves that are no bad kids, only good kids who have been exposed to evil objects.
it is not the kids fault it is bad movies...
it is not the kids fault it is bad tv...
it is not the kids fault it is bad rap music...
it is not the kids fault it is bad evolution theory...
it is not the kids fault it is bad creation theory...
it is not the kids fault it is bad hair...
it is not the kids fault it is bad pants...
it is not the kids fault it is bad parents...
it is not the kids fault it is bad guns...
it is not the kids fault it is bad video games...
when the run out of know vices for the kids, they have to invent new ones or else the whole world will see that the emperor has no clothes.
after you plug in ten thousand variables, and nothing changes, maybe it is the constant that needs attention
They can not admit that they are wrong. to do so is economic suicide.
ravinraven
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Here's further proof
This I just got. It is self explanatory.
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from Fox news:
Teaching Student Expelled, Erasing the Hate
Monday, May 09, 2005
By Scott Norvell
The New York Sun says a grad student was deemed unfit to teach and kicked
out of his program after he expressed skepticism about multicultural
education and support for corporal punishment in the classroom.
With the backing of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, Scott
McConnell is now suing Le Moyne College (search) of Syracuse, N.Y., for
violation of his First Amendment rights.
As part of a class devoted to promoting "inclusive classrooms," McConnell
wrote a paper saying: "I do not feel that multicultural education has a
philosophical place or standing in an American classroom, especially one
that I will teach. I also feel that corporal punishment has a place in the
classroom and should be implemented when needed."
He got an A on the paper, but it was forwarded to the director of the
graduate education program, Cathy Leogrande (search), who subsequently
expelled him from the Master's program.
"I have grave concerns regarding the mismatch between your personal beliefs
regarding teaching and learning and the Le Moyne College program goals,"
Leogrande said.
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How about them apples? AntiKulturalism rides again. Tell about a hoax, that whole Multicultural, read Anti-Americanism, program may well be the root of the problems with education and with America today.
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This I just got. It is self explanatory.
+++++++++++++
from Fox news:
Teaching Student Expelled, Erasing the Hate
Monday, May 09, 2005
By Scott Norvell
The New York Sun says a grad student was deemed unfit to teach and kicked
out of his program after he expressed skepticism about multicultural
education and support for corporal punishment in the classroom.
With the backing of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, Scott
McConnell is now suing Le Moyne College (search) of Syracuse, N.Y., for
violation of his First Amendment rights.
As part of a class devoted to promoting "inclusive classrooms," McConnell
wrote a paper saying: "I do not feel that multicultural education has a
philosophical place or standing in an American classroom, especially one
that I will teach. I also feel that corporal punishment has a place in the
classroom and should be implemented when needed."
He got an A on the paper, but it was forwarded to the director of the
graduate education program, Cathy Leogrande (search), who subsequently
expelled him from the Master's program.
"I have grave concerns regarding the mismatch between your personal beliefs
regarding teaching and learning and the Le Moyne College program goals,"
Leogrande said.
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How about them apples? AntiKulturalism rides again. Tell about a hoax, that whole Multicultural, read Anti-Americanism, program may well be the root of the problems with education and with America today.
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My best friend in school was Silver Burdett's 1968 special edition social studies text - not because of the revisionist BS inside it, but because the textbook had the sheer physical size and weight to be both weapon and shield.
"hand over your lunch mone.. *WHAM*...thump.
Call it learning by osmosis, but that book did wonders for the 'education' of quite a few ruffians.
-K
"hand over your lunch mone.. *WHAM*...thump.
Call it learning by osmosis, but that book did wonders for the 'education' of quite a few ruffians.
-K
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