St. Paul teen's poetry brings arrest, guilty plea

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A 17-year-old Humboldt High School student has pleaded guilty to a charge of disorderly conduct after being caught using the St. Paul school's computers to write poetry with graphic references to guns, death and suicide, authorities reported Monday.

The boy was arrested Thursday night after a notebook with the writings was discovered at the school, located on St. Paul's West Side. He made his plea Friday, the Ramsey County attorney's office reported.

The student's name was not released, because he is a minor and because the charge he faced was not a felony.

St. Paul police said Monday that the student did not make specific threats against anyone or mention the school in the writings. But his work caused concern because it referred to guns, death and suicide.

"He told investigators that his only intent was to express his feelings in poetry and that he did not intend to harm anyone," the county attorney's office said in a written statement.

Police said other students observed some of the boy's writing and the school district also discovered that the boy posted similar writings on a Web site he created, police said.

The teenager, who will be sentenced Nov. 15, was released to the custody of his father.

A letter was sent home by the school Friday informing parents of the situation. The letter described the writings as violent and vulgar.

Herón Márquez Estrada


The thought police has arrived!
I guess most of us here are guilty of disorderly conduct too!
What with the "graphic references to guns" that goes on all day long here.
Why would someone plead guilty to this?

Mike
 
Why would someone plead guilty to this?
probably because he was a scared kid with a public defender. I wonder how many great authors and poets would have been locked up if they had lived in our time. Imagine how a 20th/21st century Edgar Allan Poe would have been received. The most ludicrous part of this whole thing is according to the article, the kid didn't even threaten anyone. He's being locked up for writing about "guns, death, and suicide." :fire:
 
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It may be 20 years late, but I'm afraid this is the case. ri-fricken-diculous. I was reading this story this morning before visiting THR and was doing a lot of :banghead: :banghead: myself. I mean, we can't say a whole lot about the merits of the case since we don't know the details of his writings, but if they aren't threatening anybody then where is the harm? This kid coulda been the next Edgar Allan Poe but not anymore! I'd be scared outta my mind to write anything down now, never the less, let anybody read it if I were him. He'll now hafta express himself by getting dependant on drugs and alcohol since that is more acceptable.
 
He talked about shooting classmates although not naming specifically who. If someone is talking about shooting up their school, it would be prudent to investigate further. Talking death and suicide in general is fine but when you start to go into detail about killing others around you, wouldn't it be reasonable to suspect they might act out on it?

About a week ago a similar arrest was made with another Minneapolis kid who had created a specific list of other kids he wanted to kill.

*flame suit on*
 
St. Paul police said Monday that the student did not make specific threats against anyone or mention the school in the writings. But his work caused concern because it referred to guns, death and suicide.

Doesn't say anything about shooting classmates. If it did, then they were justified.

Without knowing exactly what was written, it is hard to judge the situtation.
 
I have not read or heard anything or anyone stating that this kid was writing about killing or shooting classmates. Please provide us with evidence that he was.

Until such evidence is presented, well, the thought police are out in force.

(FWIW he pled guilty to disorderly conduct, NOT terroristic threats. Something to think about.)
 
...the student did not make specific threats against anyone or mention the school in the writings. But his work caused concern because it referred to guns, death and suicide.

He'll regret this guilty plea for the rest of his life. Every time he applies for a job, etc. What could his parents and his attorney have been thinking?
 
Jeez... when I was in the 8th or 9th grade, I wrote a little ditty about the school being taken over by armed gunmen who attached mines to the building, shot some teachers, and made off with hostages. What would that get me today? The opportunity to see the sun and breath fresh air again when my beard touched the ground? :D

Plus, I had a buddy who brought in catalogs of Class III dealers so we could drool over MP5s and such. Ahh, the pre-'86 days! I'm sure that looking at those catalogs would be seen as an "aggravating circumstance" to be used in my sentencing... :rolleyes:
 
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