I just seen midway has dogtown 55gr HP on clearance and wondering if anyone uses them in 223rem with good results? also looking at nosler varmageddon 55gr HP. prices are very good just looking for some good target bullets that wont drain the wallet.
midway dogtown .224?
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sellersm
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Just a note: take a look at the .224 offerings from RMR Bullets!
Sunray
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"...looking for some good target bullets..." For serious target shooting or because it's fun? Midway isn't the greatest for pricing either way, but look at milsurp bullets. Midway is listing a 62 grain factory 'second' at $20.49 per 100.
Graf's is listing Armscor 62 grain FMJ's at $10.59 per 100. And Prvi 55 grain SP's at $116.91 per 1,000.
Rummage around Cheaper than Dirt too.
Of all of them, No$ler's will be he most expensive. Except maybe for Lapua. And anything else from Europe.
Graf's is listing Armscor 62 grain FMJ's at $10.59 per 100. And Prvi 55 grain SP's at $116.91 per 1,000.
Rummage around Cheaper than Dirt too.
Of all of them, No$ler's will be he most expensive. Except maybe for Lapua. And anything else from Europe.
Sunray
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"...something that will hold a decent group..." That's not about cost. It's about meticulously working up the load for your chosen bullet.
"On clearance" isn't always a great deal. Worst of it is when you find a bullet/powder combo that gives fabulous groups, but you can't find the bullet again. Or the price has skyrocketed.
"On clearance" isn't always a great deal. Worst of it is when you find a bullet/powder combo that gives fabulous groups, but you can't find the bullet again. Or the price has skyrocketed.
Damon555
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I've shot a bunch of the dogtowns and varmageddons....Go ahead and give them a shot.....they shot good enough for me to buy more when I needed to stock up. My collection of .224 bullets is pretty impressive but if I were to do it all over again on the cheap those bullets would work just fine for most of my shooting needs....(Casual target shooting and varmint hunting)
someguy2800
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I shot 500 of them in 50 gr HP. They shot well for me. Probably .5 MOA in my 1:12 CBI barreled savage.
Reloadron
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I have loaded and shot their 50 grain with good results in my 1:12 bolt gun. Can't speak for the 55 grain. Right now Mid South has a good deal 22 Caliber .224 Diameter 62 Grain BTHP With Cannelure 500 Count.
Ron
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How was accuracy guys? right now I'm making 5 v max shoot the same hole. is it possible to get this with dogtowns? I was able to get the same results with 44gr FMJ-BT. 5 shots one hole but wasn't able to reproduce that again with the same load. IDK why but 2-5packs never touched a hole.
someguy2800
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Mine shot .5 moa or so with the 50's. 52 grain vmax shoots about .3 in mine as well as 52 hornady bthp. Trying 50 grain TNT next
JimKirk
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Check out the MidSouth Shooters Varmint Nightmare 55 gr . Premium bullets ...
I got a a couple hundred loaded ... but have failed to test fire them yet ... they do look pretty good for a "cheap" bullet ...
I got a a couple hundred loaded ... but have failed to test fire them yet ... they do look pretty good for a "cheap" bullet ...
what's a CBI barrel?
someguy2800
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Criterion Barrels Inc. They are the economy line of barrels from Kreiger. Button rifled instead of cut rifled like a Kreiger. The gun is a Savage model 12 BVSS and it just has the barrel, a thicker recoil lug, and I glass bedded it and worked the trigger. It was a home build.
KansasSasquatch
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I think for price to accuracy ratio V-Max are very difficult to beat. I have had great sucess with 50gr, 55gr, and 60gr V-Max, once I find the correct load. The Z-Max bullets are intentionally gimmicky but they truly are just V-Max with a green tip instead of red tip, and different packaging . I've found the Z-Max in 50gr and 55gr and they are typically cheaper than V-Max, especially when you find them on sale.
They shoot the same groups too?
KansasSasquatch
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On a good day the 60gr will clover leaf at 100 yards but I typically get all three weights to shoot an inch or less at 100, with the right load. And that's with a low budget Savage Edge. For powder, Benchmark is my go-to when seeking accuracy in .223.
I bought a REM. SPS .223 varmint this spring. Having never loaded .223 I started with V MAX 55 gr. and Varget. After several workup loads I found them to be inconsistent. I'd get 3 shots close to each other and one out 3/4 inch or so. I started measuring them end to end and found quite a deference in them, some buggered tips too. Switched to Sierra 55 gr. #1360. The consistency was much better averaging + - 3/4 of a inch at 100 of off my rest. Decided to try Nosler Varmageddon 55 gr. 317240. I'm now grouping 1/2 inch or better with no flyers, and I've only tried one load. It's a journey for sure. hdbiker
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Only if you load them the same.
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I have a box of five hundred fifty grain Z-max bullets, in which I have measured distinctly three seperate machines. Oddly enough, when wieghed they end up in the same batches as when they are measured from base to ogive.hdbiker said:
cougar1717
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The problem that I have with giving thoughts on a question like this lie in the expectations - "What is the definition of a good group?" I feel like this question is usually more like, "What is the most cost effective bullet for moa/submoa groups in an AR15 pattern rifle?" If that's it, then: IME, the traditional cap and core soft point bullets in 50gr or 55gr are good but usually not able to maintain moa accuracy in an average AR15. Individual barrels vary, but you'll have a better chance with 1:9 or 1:8. I would expect 1.25-1.5 moa, anything better is a bonus.
The expensive 52-53gr hp match bullets work great in bolt actions, but these are usually twisted 1:12. They may be worth trying in an AR.
With 50-55gr vmax or nbt bullets, this is where an AR15 can get repeatable moa or submoa accuracy. It will take a meticulous load work up and new(er) brass (don't expect the hard necks of 3x-5x brass to shoot bugholes). But that kind of accuracy is possible here, however, it may take testing of more than one powder/primer/brass workup.
If you're thinking long range (300+), IMHO you might as well just focus on 68-75-77gr bullets and see what kind of combo you can get to work with your equipment. A 20" or even 24" barrel can help here with the velocity of the heavy bullets. A refined, heavy bullet load can shoot lights out at closer ranges too, but it usually takes a good amount of testing to see which consistently shoots the best. But, these bullets always cost more than the typical 50-55gr bullets.
I hope this is at least helpful in trying to figure out expectations and potential accuracy.
The expensive 52-53gr hp match bullets work great in bolt actions, but these are usually twisted 1:12. They may be worth trying in an AR.
With 50-55gr vmax or nbt bullets, this is where an AR15 can get repeatable moa or submoa accuracy. It will take a meticulous load work up and new(er) brass (don't expect the hard necks of 3x-5x brass to shoot bugholes). But that kind of accuracy is possible here, however, it may take testing of more than one powder/primer/brass workup.
If you're thinking long range (300+), IMHO you might as well just focus on 68-75-77gr bullets and see what kind of combo you can get to work with your equipment. A 20" or even 24" barrel can help here with the velocity of the heavy bullets. A refined, heavy bullet load can shoot lights out at closer ranges too, but it usually takes a good amount of testing to see which consistently shoots the best. But, these bullets always cost more than the typical 50-55gr bullets.
I hope this is at least helpful in trying to figure out expectations and potential accuracy.
how are those as far as accuracy? I seen those also but 50gr and a little worried buying a lot at that price with my 1-9 twist.
someguy2800
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I did have really bad issues with these and several other bullets key holing and blowing up in the 1:9 barrel my savage came with. I had savage replace the barrel and had the same issue again. After switching to my 1:12 I never had the problem again. My dad has a savage with a 1:9 and he shoots these with good luck in his.
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