SoCalShooter
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I like'em all but I have never seen a mil-surp hater here.
Mil-surp malice?
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fletcher
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I have encountered a gap between the perspective of mil surplus collectors and hunters. There are many hunters who aren't so much anti-mil surplus but just see rifles as a tool for the bigger love- hunting. So some of them have very little interest in the history and features of a beautiful rifle like a German K98 for example. They are probably wondering why you would want to use such an old rifle and how you get a scope on it.
Im283
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I honestly have never run into anyone that looked down on Milsurp guns.
Where do you know these types from?
Where do you know these types from?
M1 Shooter
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I have a friend, who is also my hunting partner, who has given me a hard time about my milsurps. He calls them "old military junk" and "man-killers". He thinks they are impratical and worthless for hunting. He is the type of person who sees guns as just a tool, nothing more. He shoots often with me, and he shoots well, but he doesn't lavish attention on his guns like I do, and I'm sure many of you here do. He doesn't agonize over things like optics, finishes, which gun is better, etc. He hasn't bought a gun in years because all his needs are met by the few he already has. He doesn't understand why I buy so many old milsurps when I, as he puts it, "already have more than enough guns for any possible need." He sees it as a waste of money. Everyone is different, and we all have our own likes and dislikes. To each their own. He seems to understand now, or he at least tolerates, my interest in milsurps as well as other guns he has no use for, because he doesn't give me as much of a hard time about it as he used to.
are those two ideas some how exclusionary?
ask him if he thinks deer are the only thing that needs to be killed.
then ask him, which is the most dangerous game. man or whitetail ( maybe do it with an evil grin, and when he answers Man, laugh and say " youv got a 5minute lead" )
said best by some one on here i believe
"why do you carry a hand gun?!"
" incase i ever need to kill someone or something real quick."
M1 Shooter
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Hoppy, I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. Maybe I should be a little clearer. When he says he thinks they are impractical and useless for hunting, he's primarily refering to the fact that they aren't scoped(he thinks any "proper" hunting rifle needs a scope), and many are chambered for oddball calibers that cannot be purchased locally(we live in a rural area, closest gunshop with a good selection of ammo is more than an hour away, I just mail order my ammo mostly).
He is not anti self defense or anything, but again he sees milsurps as impractical since they are so old and long since obsolete. He says there are much better choices for defensive use, and frankly, I agree with him. None of my milsurps are my "go to" defense, SHTF, rifles. I have newer guns in more commonly available chamberings for that.
He is not anti self defense or anything, but again he sees milsurps as impractical since they are so old and long since obsolete. He says there are much better choices for defensive use, and frankly, I agree with him. None of my milsurps are my "go to" defense, SHTF, rifles. I have newer guns in more commonly available chamberings for that.
cracked butt
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There's a reason why my $59 'gunsmith special' K-31 has become my favorite rifle. With a $75 scope mount, a $150 scope, and a little bedding adjustment, it shoots as good as any $600 rifle. Nothing like saying "shoots ok for a $60 rifle eh?"
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Oh, this just gets better...
The person who thinks a Mauser is a POS is a gun collector! What's more, he has a 1903 Springfield!
Hypocrite, party of one.
The person who thinks a Mauser is a POS is a gun collector! What's more, he has a 1903 Springfield!
Hypocrite, party of one.
I have an old Steyr Mauser from Chile, model 1912 in 7x57. Thanks to my father the 7x57 is one of my favorite cartridges and IF I could get a good deal on a Kar98K I'd do it in a heartbeat. My best friend is an SKS NUT. He seriously wont shut up about SKS's and how they can shoot to the moon. Next time some idiot wants to talk trash about a Mauser remind him that my good friend Mr. Hitler just about conquered Europe.....With bolt action Mausers.
It's a number of things:
Negative comments from 01 FFL's who don't like that 03 C&R guys can buy them off the Internet or mail-order cheaply. These attitudes get picked up by other customers not interested in milsurp.
Milsurp is an affront to people who try and buy their way to marksmanship, or have a significant portion of their ego wrapped up in their new commercial purchases.
Simple ignorance that they're "old" and "obsolete" and that "new" is automatically better.
Some of the angst against milsurp also comes from the older generations who grew up with milsurps that sold for a few dollars out of barrels at the local Woolworth's. For them, milsurp was seen as a sign of poverty, or cheap beater guns for kids, and the trunks of cars where rust or theft was a concern. They also represented military service, not so much trauma/PTSD, but where you had no choice in what you were issued, and commercial firearm choices represented "freedom" to be your own man...
And it's as others have said, you can find the same attitudes about cars, computers/game systems, motorcycles, etc. It mostly just boils down people with a weak ego that needs reinforcement by criticizing something else.
These topics are always interesting to me, as I've never really been the direct recipient of someone bashing any of my particular firearms, and I have a wide gamut of milsurp, antiques, modern, inexpensive, and expensive items in my collection. Either I'm lucky, or I just don't get out to the range much. When I see someone shooting one of the items I consider "inferior", if the item actually gets discussed, I still try to say something positive, unless it's clear the owner truly wants honest feedback.
The only real firearm type/make bias I've encountered is a co-worker who's convinced the AR/M4/M16 platform/family is crap, and will state so vehemently to anyone who asks him. However I cut him some slack, as he was serving in Vietnam right at the time they got their M14's taken away, and the M16 was introduced with no cleaning kits, and 5.56 loaded with the incorrect ball powder for the gas system. And he rotated out before the problems were rectified with proper rod powder in the ammunition, cleaning kits, and the improvements in the M16A1.
I cut him some slack.
Negative comments from 01 FFL's who don't like that 03 C&R guys can buy them off the Internet or mail-order cheaply. These attitudes get picked up by other customers not interested in milsurp.
Milsurp is an affront to people who try and buy their way to marksmanship, or have a significant portion of their ego wrapped up in their new commercial purchases.
Simple ignorance that they're "old" and "obsolete" and that "new" is automatically better.
Some of the angst against milsurp also comes from the older generations who grew up with milsurps that sold for a few dollars out of barrels at the local Woolworth's. For them, milsurp was seen as a sign of poverty, or cheap beater guns for kids, and the trunks of cars where rust or theft was a concern. They also represented military service, not so much trauma/PTSD, but where you had no choice in what you were issued, and commercial firearm choices represented "freedom" to be your own man...
And it's as others have said, you can find the same attitudes about cars, computers/game systems, motorcycles, etc. It mostly just boils down people with a weak ego that needs reinforcement by criticizing something else.
These topics are always interesting to me, as I've never really been the direct recipient of someone bashing any of my particular firearms, and I have a wide gamut of milsurp, antiques, modern, inexpensive, and expensive items in my collection. Either I'm lucky, or I just don't get out to the range much. When I see someone shooting one of the items I consider "inferior", if the item actually gets discussed, I still try to say something positive, unless it's clear the owner truly wants honest feedback.
The only real firearm type/make bias I've encountered is a co-worker who's convinced the AR/M4/M16 platform/family is crap, and will state so vehemently to anyone who asks him. However I cut him some slack, as he was serving in Vietnam right at the time they got their M14's taken away, and the M16 was introduced with no cleaning kits, and 5.56 loaded with the incorrect ball powder for the gas system. And he rotated out before the problems were rectified with proper rod powder in the ammunition, cleaning kits, and the improvements in the M16A1.
I cut him some slack.
JohnBT
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"I'd be willing to wager that those who scoff at milsurps shoot their own guns a total of 4 rounds a year, three to sight it in and 1 for the whitetail, then back into the closet it goes."
How much are you willing to bet? I need some easy money.
John
How much are you willing to bet? I need some easy money.
John
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These may not be rifles, but what's not to love???
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Maggoty
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Surplus rifles from WWII must be built differently then the M16 family then, Every M-16/M-4 I was ever issued, rusted, lost zero, and generally malfunctioned on sight. (I just got out the army.)
now 50 years from now if you wanted say an M21 or a M240B I'd jump at it. But thanks to the army I will never own an AR-15.
My personal favorite BTW is the M-14, no scope, no bipods or anything fancy, just iron and wood.
now 50 years from now if you wanted say an M21 or a M240B I'd jump at it. But thanks to the army I will never own an AR-15.
My personal favorite BTW is the M-14, no scope, no bipods or anything fancy, just iron and wood.
MRIman
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Never worry about what other "gun lovers" think of the Mil-Surp stuff.
They don't like,they don't buy!!! That's one more rifle for me and you!!!!
2/3 of my collection is now "mil-surps",to tell the truth,they shoot better then
the other 1/3 of the collection,at @ a 1/3 of the cost.
MRI
They don't like,they don't buy!!! That's one more rifle for me and you!!!!
2/3 of my collection is now "mil-surps",to tell the truth,they shoot better then
the other 1/3 of the collection,at @ a 1/3 of the cost.
MRI
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