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Military-Grade Arsenal Found In Bloomington Home

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  1. OrvilleYertleson

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    There is a big difference between the cannon fuse that is often mislabeled 'det-cord' and the real thing. I can also see shock tube being called det-cord.

    Real det-cord is an actual explosive and is illegal, the other stuff just burns.

    I'll bet that the police just made a mistake about what they found. The military det cord looks almost the same as military fuse. I doubt someone would go to all the trouble of acquiring det-cord without getting the other things necessary to use it, or for that matter traditional explosives.
     
  2. xd9fan

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    This story does sound like a fishing expedition.
    Is there any way we can find out what is happening to him and the current status of his situation?
     
  3. TrybalRage

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    What the heck is a "Bureau of Criminal Apprehension"?
     
  4. walking arsenal

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    Thats our CSI type crew here in MN AFAIK.


    I had a "discussion" with my grandfather the other day over my gun collection.

    I have enough ammo for each of my four rifles.

    He was telling me that if i ever get a speeding ticket and the police come to my house that i'm going to get charged with being a terrorist because i have so much stuff.

    I don't really, but it's a lot to an old man that spent most of his life with two guns and a box of ammo per gun because they were poor.

    I can see this happening more and more as our society becomes more sheep like and less self sufficient.

    Self sufficiency scares the masses.
     
  5. Aguila Blanca

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    Doesn't your municipality have a Criminal Apprehension Department? Mine does, and I live in a semi-rural suburb.







    It's me ... I'm VERY apprehensive about criminals. It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.
     
  6. TrybalRage

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    :rimshot:




    :D
     
  7. kcmarine

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    You have "bomb making" materials if you have a gallon of gasoline and a match.
     
  8. jfh

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    What F4GIB said

    is the way I keep adding things up, too.

    And, he's right about the new Co. Atty--if that is who initiated this apparent mess.

    Some of us will be asking harder questions, I think.
     
  9. Kali Endgame

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    Yikes! If they label him a tearwrist he could be held for years in Gitmo with out a trial.:neener:
     
  10. Can'thavenuthingood

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    Here it is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/bca/bca.html

    Mission Statement

    The Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is committed to protecting Minnesotans by providing high quality services to the criminal justice community. This is accomplished through timely, personal service in partnership with law enforcement and other criminal justice agencies.

    Apparently these are the storm troopers of law enforcement?

    Yup, its all under the guise of Public Safety http://www.dps.state.mn.us/

    Vick
     
  11. Cesiumsponge

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    Wait...so why was his home searched to begin with? I didn't see the articles mention anything illegal was going on with which would give authorities a right to just barge in and search. It looks like the articles plain skirted the issue and jumped to justification of the actions as a "precautionary measure".

    I can guarantee if law enforcement came into my home right now, they could find "bomb making materials". They can barge into your home and find "bomb making materials" too. Anyone that has a cabinet under the kitchen sink or a garage workshop can have "bomb making materials" to anyone wanting to be creative enough to make you the bad guy. I have bags of military-grade air fuel-explosive, bleached white flour.

    And what's with military-grade ammunition? You mean the same commercial ammo I can buy, without polished brass? Maybe matte finished brass is more deadly than shiny reflective brass casings.
     
  12. .cheese.

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    Just looked, I have:

    3 large containers of Charcoal lighter fluid (for wick-based outdoor torches)
    2 packages of black-powder lined fireworks extension fuse (for 4th of July)
    2 buckets (for mopping the flooor)
    1 small tupperware with flash-powder (for Halloween special effects)
    2 envelopes flash-paper (again - Halloween)
    12 Glo-plugs and wires for setting off the flash-powder and paper (Halloween)

    I'd say that would probably look pretty bad if put together side-by-side and you lay a turban next to it.... or set it next to my Glocks and AR's..... :rolleyes:
     
  13. silverlance

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    Plenty of people have "military grade ammunition not suitable for hunting purposes". It's called mil-surp.

    I really ought to move to the country.

    I just wish I knew more aobut how to do so.
     
  14. Can'thavenuthingood

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    Sure would look bad and sound bad.

    The newscaster would say:

    "The suspect was on an internet forum discussing how to " put together side-by-side and you lay a turban next to it", apparent directions on how to make a bomb."

    Add in a stressed out soccer mom in pajama's and some kids and you are going to the big house.

    See how easy it is?

    Vick
     
  15. .cheese.

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    You forgot about the part where they interview my neighbors. :eek:

    "He always seemed like such a nice young man......" :rolleyes:
     
  16. Limeyfellow

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    Its most likely because of the book, especially if he had firearms and blasting caps. They had a number of terrorist rings they caught in various states such as Texas that are white supremists and neonazis that tried building weapons of mass destruction to use on domestic targets (the last they were making serin gas to use in a mall in California and a subway) so if you have too many connecting factors they feel your rights don't apply.

    More paranoia tripe that being fueled made the police likely to jump the start and pull everything in. Doesn't help the patriot act gives them so many abilities like this to do whatever the hell they want under some circumstances.
     
  17. jfh

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    Does the Plot Thicken, or is it the snowstorm--

    I did a search on the StarTribune site, and finally found an update to this story--it was filed late Thursday night, Mar 1:

    Subject of explosives probe left homeless, lawyer says
    Terry L. Dahlen is a former licensed weapons maker whose Bloomington home was condemned after federal officials seized firearms this week, his attorney said.

    By Chao Xiong, Star Tribune

    A Bloomington man who was jailed then released after federal authorities confiscated several firearms and explosive materials from his house has been left homeless after the city condemned his house, according to his attorney.
    Terry L. Dahlen, 60, and his wife are living with relatives after a city official said the couple have mice and too much clutter in their basement, garage and back yard, said attorney Joe Rymanowski.

    "Normally they don't condemn for that," Rymanowski said. "They say, 'Clean it up.' " Rymanowski said the couple were given until March 8 to clean up the house.

    Dahlen has not been charged with any crime and was released from jail Wednesday afternoon. He agreed to be named for this story.

    The last few days have been rough, Rymanowski said.

    Dahlen has "been reduced to tears," he said. "He's obviously terrified."

    FBI agent Paul McCabe said only that the case is still under investigation. The state Bureau of Criminal of Apprehension and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) are part of the joint investigation into Dahlen.

    Speaking on Dahlen's behalf, Rymanowski said his client is a gun and pyrotechnics hobbyist who used to be a licensed weapons manufacturer in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The materials and firearms seized by authorities are left over from the days he made firearms for sale to other hobbyists, Rymanowski said.

    "None of it was illegal," he said. "He wasn't building a bomb. He wasn't threatening anybody."

    Rymanowski said he's puzzled as to why federal authorities searched Dahlen's house, but added that they have been cooperative and professional.

    "My question is: If he's such a menace to society, why didn't Hennepin County charge him?" his attorney said. "I think this is just another level of government harassment. People think gun collectors are nuts."

    Federal authorities have not said why or for how long Dahlen has been investigated. The Bloomington and Minneapolis bomb squads were called out to his home Monday in the 1700 block of W. 84th Street. Authorities also searched a commercial retail building at 5200 47th Av. S. in Minneapolis on Tuesday that belongs to his wife, who runs a salon at the address. "Explosive materials" that required a bomb squad and the skills of military personnel also were found there.

    Steve Bogdalek, assistant special agent in charge of the ATF, has said the materials found at both locations were not in danger of exploding.

    Authorities have said they also found blasting caps and detonation cords at Dahlen's house. His attorney said he also had inert land mines that are sold as collectors' items and clocks in the shape of fake dynamite sticks.

    Rymanowski said his client does not now have plans to take any legal action in response to the searches, condemnation of his house or arrest.


    Chao Xiong • 612-673-4391 • [email protected]

    edited only to remove extraneae...

    The plot thickens. We need some good investigative reporting done as to why this happened, and why it was a story to begin with.

    I'm going with my conspiracy theory: The antigunners are trying for a double: The new AWB AND ammunition licensing, and this kind of reporting is laying the groundwork to terrify the sheeples.

    Jim
     
  18. 1911austin

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    I only have about 30,000 rounds in my house. I hope they don't get mad at me. :D
     
  19. Grayrider

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    This story illustrates a sad but simple truth. If you reload, if you collect guns, if you buy/store ammunition in quantity, if you own "assault weapons", this could be you in the news. If any of us were ever investigated for any reason by the authorities, this is how we would be portrayed and treated. The media will ruin your life and walk away with no apologies.

    John
     
  20. Sindawe

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    Fire investigation to determine why the fire started and how it progressed would be my guess. Part potential criminal investigation to see if arson is involved and basic data collection for better understanding of house fires. No warrant needed IIRC, but I'm not a student of the law.

    Keeping stuff around from a former vocation? Not unusual in my eyes. I still have some old baffled erlenmeyer flasks, 20L carboys, sterile calibrated pipets and polystyrene centrifuge tubes in my home from the days I worked in Biotech.
     
  21. The Deer Hunter

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    Most farmers have enough fertilizers to destroy large buildings.
     
  22. Can'thavenuthingood

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    have mice and too much clutter in their basement, garage and back yard

    That sounds like it could be just about anyone in the winter months back there in Minnesota.
    Its clutter rather than trash then?
    Condmenation of a home? Anyone else would get many warnings and months to get right.
    If it was a landlord tossing someone they'd be in court, but the state/city can do as they please.

    Also, what fire? I didn't see anything about a fire. What'd I miss?

    Don't smell right. Seems if there was something serious there would be lots of nomenclatures being bandied about, more specifics charged. This so far sounds to be like generalities.

    He is not charged.

    Vick
     
  23. Sindawe

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    DOH! Nothing Can'thavenuthingood. My bad, I thought this was about the house with a million rounds in it that had an attic fire.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=259358

    Thats what happens when I post before the brain is fully caffienated in the morning. :eek:
     
  24. jfh

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    ...Thats what happens when I post before the brain is fully caffienated in
    the morning.


    Hmmmmmm...:rolleyes:
     
  25. Thin Black Line

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    This wouldn't even be enough to take kids into custody, let alone condemn
    the house.

    This reeks of something akin to the old "kill one, scare ten thousand" tactic used
    by government.
     
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