Militec 1

[Deles136]

Today I ordered some Militec 1 from the company and told the owner,Brad Giordani, that my grandson was in Iraq and fired the 25mm rifle on his Bradley. I told Brad that I hoped that the Army was using his product as I thought it would be the best lubricant for use in the desert. He told me that he does sell to the Army and if my grandson wanted some Militec 1 he would send him and his crew some free samples if I gave him an APO to send to. I thought that this was a very nice gesture on his part and I appreciate his strong support of our troops. I find that Militec 1 works very well on any firearm that I have used it on and will not hold dust and dirt like most gun oils.

I hope I have not broken any list rules with this message but I thought list members would like to hear about any company whose owner is a very strong supporter of American Troops. I have no connection to this company other than being a customer.

 

[Rob62]

MILTEC is a very fine product and I've used it quite a bit on M16s and other full/semi auto firearms.

In each case it functioned as well as Breakfree. The standard issue military (US Army) firearms cleaner & lube. However I doubt the military will ever replace Breakfree CLP with it - costs too much.

Breakfree while not a great solvent works ok and is a fine lubricant.

Rob

 

[Kentucky Rifle]

I use Militec-1 on every firearm and in the joint of every folding knife I own. After about three applcations, things may "look" dry, but they're still slick.
I've been using Militec-1 for about a year now. I've also been carrying a Darrel Ralph "EDC" folder for quite a while that I lubed with Militec-1 three or four times ~"months" ago, just to test how long the lube lasts. All I have to do is move the frame lock over and the blade falls closed due to it's own weight. I've tried the same little test with my Seecamp. The slide moves easily and quietly. Give it a try. You can order a free sample from their website.
I've heard that Barrett now recommends Militec-1 too.

KR

 

[762x51]

Militec was not meant to be, and does not work very well as, a CLP. It doesn't clean or protect very well. It does work great for a stand alone lubricant though. For an all in one CLP, I've been using FP-10 lately and like it alot. They will also send a free sample if you like.

 

[TrapperReady]

I got a couple free samples of Militec a few months ago, and really like it. The grease works extremely well on my M1. I've not used the lube much, since I've still got a bunch of FP-10 left. Maybe I need to give it a shot.

 

[George Hill]

How do I get the FP-10 free sample?

I'm going to conduct some tests that I've been planning on doing for some time. The test results I've found online are not that great...
I saw this one for FP-10:
http://www.mpc-home.com/htmls/FP-10 vs Break Free SWRI Test.htm

Too bad MPC is the joint that owns and makes FP-10. Nice. No bias there. Also there is no description of the tests themselves or the procedures of the tests. Just numbers thrown out.

The police use a test to determin friction. They use this test on the ground and then measure the skids marks at auto accidents to determine the minimum speed the car was traveling. Part of the formula is determining friction. It's crude as the police do it, but using better tools it can be very accurate. Well, that drag test can also be used to see which lube reduces friction the most. I'm going to basically scale the drag test down and increase the weight to create greater pressures, but the priniple is the same. The goal is of course to determine which lube is the slickest stuff out there.

I'm also going to test some other properties such as protection via a simple iron nail board.
Some nails are untreated, some are coated in each type of lube to be tested. All the nails on the same board will be exposed to the same environments.

Cleaning properties are not going to be tested...

Here is what I have to test with so far:

Breakfree CLP
Rem Oil
Militec-1
Outters oil
Mobile One

I would like to test some other things... but the local gunshops don't sell anything else. So, if a company offers a free sample - I want it. I've been thinking about doing this test, but I've always put it off. It's time to do it.
Any other lubes I should test? That offer free samples? I'm going to have to order others online and being a poor college student makes that tough.

 

[willyjixx]

Deles136:

is he an 11M? or CAV? i was on the M2A2 when i was in

the 25mm bushmaster chaingun doesnt use oil though. it uses a disulfide moly grease that is a thick dark grey color an works well for skateboard bearings normal CLP would be burned off in a few rounds threw a 25mm.


thank your son for serving an godspeed to him on a safe way home!

 

[762x51]

George:

Just email George at MPC and tell him you saw the posts on TFL about a free sample. He used to have a button on his site, but I cannot find it now.

 

[Deles136]

willyjixx - Thanks for the info on the 25 mm chain gun and the lube. I don't know very much about my grandson and what he does in the Army as he doesn't talk very much. When I last saw him at Christmas, I asked him what he did in the Army. He told me he fired a rifle. I asked him what size and he said 25 mm. I figured that was a bullet about 1" in diameter and I asked him if it hurt his shoulder when he fired it and he just looked at me and smiled.

Thanks for the best wishes for my grandson,

 

[JShirley]

I have used Militec one to treat pistols barrels before. I thoroughly cleaned and degreased them, then coated the barrels with Militec-1 and put in the oven at low heat, to bond the lube with the metal. Do this after a gentle polish of the feed ramp, and ...ah. Smooth.

KTOG'ers in the house?

John
GREASE WARS! YEAH!

 

[willyjixx]

hey shirley:

that sounds brilliant! wonder if it would keep the surface rust from comin back on my Mossberg barrel

 

[JShirley]

I dunno, man. My motivation was smooth feeding on the rather sharp angle of the feed ramp on Kel-tec P-11 and -40 pistols. Others have said Militec is a better lube than protectant, and that may be. You might wanta ask in the gunsmith forum.

If it's a "beater" gun, you might try a thorough degreasing, then a high-temp enamel paint (after removing any rust with fine grip sandpaper or blasting?).

John

 

[George Hill]

Got an email back from George Fennel of MPC the makers of FP-10:

"I visited your forum, and will gladly send you some FP-10 for your tests, but let's call them "home experiments", as ASTM or sanctioned MIL SPEC tests, they are not."

Well, he is right that they are not ASTM or MIL SPEC sanctioned...
But they are tests and I will be testing a bunch of oils. Not just targeting a competetor in the market. I'll detail the tests so they can be reproduced by anyone. Not just in an ASTM lab. And if this test isnt a test. Try constesting the same test in traffic court. My point is that its a solid and reliable method. I'm not biased in any way to any lube. I'll just buy what the best is and use it in my firearm. I'll also post the results here at THR and at MadOgre.com... results with commentary and details on what if anything I find. Am I qualified to conduct such tests and call them Official? Well, yes and no. I'm educated enough to conduct the tests and according to Robert A Heinlein:
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." I've used the friction test before for traffic investigations. But no, I am making no claim as to being any official sancioned tests with initials in the name.
But if it gives the results any more authority I'll create my own official sounding testing house:
"MOTL" "Mad Ogre Testing Labs" and I'll use an Offical Seal of Approval:

 

[Deles136]

George Hill - Testing - The words "qualified" and "can't" do not exist for anyone who wishes to accomplish.

 

[willyjixx]

very true deles136:

ifn your every curious about the 25mm or any army stuff feel free to ask as i am a chatterbox!

 

[MarineTech]

I originally used Tetra grease and liquid lube on all my firearms. That was up until I bought my M1A. The Tetra grease just didn't seem to be doing the job, and was an absolute chore to try and lube the bolt roller with. Started looking around for a replacement. Sent in for a sample of Militec 1 when they had their free samples order. This stuff is excellent and I've used it on my M1A ever since. I still use Tetra on my handguns and other rifles, but for service rifles that call for grease, Militec is what I reach for.

 

[Kentucky Rifle]

I cleaned and lubed my new 1894C Marlin last night. I did rub down the outside with a "Rig-Rag" after, but I lubed all moving parts with Militec-1. The action is noticibly smoother. Two more times and it will be like glass!


KR