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Militia Rifles – a modest proposal

Discussion in 'Legal' started by glummer, Feb 22, 2007.

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  1. glummer

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    I would like to see if we can start a change in the way the gun rights issue is discussed by the general public.

    I propose a concerted effort to use the term “militia rifle” when speaking of ARs, AKs, etc.

    This would have many advantages:
    1) It’s concise: Much easier to say than “civilian versions of military weapons”, or “military look-alike weapons”, or “legal guns with the cosmetic appearance of military weapons.”
    2) It’s accurate: These are the perfect “unorganized militia” arms. Similar to standard military guns, for familiarity; using widely available military ammo; but also with ordinary “civilian” uses, like hunting, collecting, target shooting competition, etc.
    3) It emphasizes the tie to the RKBA, via the militia clause, making it harder to argue for restrictions. It’s one thing to try to outlaw “assault weapons”; attacking “militia weapons” is more obviously unconstitutional.
    4) It makes opposition to “assault weapon” bans self-justifying: if some of the powers-that-be are worried about militia arms, they must have something in mind that might trigger the use of those arms. Why fear armed rebellion, unless you plan to provoke it?

    Perhaps the NRA could create a Militia Rifle category of competition to further establish such weapons as standard items for civilian use.

    Picture Midway and Cabela’s with a “Militia Rifle Accessories” catalog section.

    If we could push this usage in discussions, print, advertising by gun-related companies, etc., it could alter the rhetorical landscape in our favor.

    Ready on the range.
     
  2. DaveP (UK)

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    I realise things may be different over there but UK news programmes are making unfavourable references to "militia" fairly frequently, like every time Africa comes up for discussion.

    I understand that Militia were respectable patriotic organisations during the War of Independence, but times and usages change and it isn't a term I would care to associate with myself or my hobbies at the present time. :)
     
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    Why not “semi-automatic rifle”? I suspect “militia rifle” would be just as scary as “assault weapon.”

    ~G. Fink
     
  5. ATW525

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    Outside of the RKBA community the term "militia" is not viewed in a favorable light. It doesn't conjure up images of patriots... it conjures up images of wackos who blow up federal buildings.
     
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    It wasn't that long ago that the term 'militia' was used to describe a mall segment of our society that was more on the fringe.

    McVeigh and others.

    I am not sure that we wouldn't be painted as 'wannabe's in the woods with guns'. I could be wrong here, but I could see that as negative connotation.
     
  7. Outlaws

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    Yep. Not to mention "militia" already conjures "paranoid rednecks" in many peoples minds.
     
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    I prefer the term SPORTING RIFLE. Why not, it sounds warm and fuzzy, and is totally correct.
     
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    "Militia rifle" sounds like it was made up by anti's.

    Like the term "Assault Weapon," I think it would create a false mindset in masses that these weapons are MORE deadly and dangerous than "non-militia rilfes."

    "Semi-automatic rifle" is fine.
     
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    A rose by any other name is still a rose
     
  11. 1911austin

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    I does not matter what they are called. The elite left do not want us to have the means to defend ourselves. You can come up with the most politically correct name in the world. They will still try to ban them.

    As a group, people who support the second amendment need to get in sync. Our forefathers did not write the second amendment to secure our rights to “hunt” or engage in “shooting sports”. We have the right to bear arms as a means of protecting ourselves both from criminals as well as a tyrannical and oppressive government. Stop trying to sugar coat everything. We need to address the issue of the right to bear as it pertains to our security instead of our hobbies. While, I hope to never fire a round in anger, it is my responsibility to protect myself and my family.
     
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    A few problems with this terminology.

    First, ask your average dookie-for-brains American sheep what they think of the term "militia" and you're going to get some colorful adjectives.

    Secondly, in the perfect world, a "militia weapon" would be NO DIFFERENT than what one might see in the hands of ACTIVE DUTY soldiers, meaning happy switches for everyone! Also, "militia weaponry" would also have to cover MG's, possibly even man-portable anti-air and anti-armor stuff, because individual foot soldiers can carry and use them.

    In reality, there is no catch-phrase out there that will EVER seem to put a positive light on these implements, save for POSSIBLY "defense rifle" or something else with defensive connotation.
     
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    I prefer the term "Civil Defense Rifle". "Civil Defense" is a term that resonates well with the older folks who lived through the Cold War, and doesn't have the "Deutschland Uber Alles" connotations that "Homeland Defense Rifle" does, nor does it have the media negativity surrounding it that "Militia Rifle" does.
     
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    What jlbraun said. Or simply "defensive rifle" or just plain "rifle" :)
     
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    I like Alan Korwin's suggestion - "household firearms."
     
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    I agree that we shouldn't use the term "militia" to describe any type of arm ... remember there are folk out there that believe that "militia" = White Supremacist or anti-government kooks that want to kill the families of government employees.


    Sport Utility Rifle
    seems to me to be a better term for what are often called "Assault" rifles.
     
  17. Professor K

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    I think the self loading rifle is the best.

    Militia rifle wouldnt be a good name, since militias get unfavorable publicity.
     
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    x3 on jlbraun's Civil Defense Rifle. This could conjure positive memories of the Civil Defense programs of WWII, and of the civilians who took up arms and fortified the coastlines in case of attack. Yea, we all know that's part of what a militia really is, but since the term has been hijacked and made into something scary, Civil Defense should work.
     
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    Problem is

    well two things pop into my mind.
    1. the response will be only militia members should have them. What, not a milita member... Give me that AR...
    2. The connotation of the word Militia has been warped to mean camo wearing neo nazi whit supremist types running around in the woods "playing army". Long story short the media has turned it into: Milita = nut job.
     
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    I agree, "Militia Rifle" is NOT the way to go. The word "Militia" has been thoroughly demonized and we aren't going to get it back anytime soon.
     
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    Militia rifle

    Although it is technically inaccurate, the term "assault rifle" has stuck and the anti-gun media and the gun banners won't give it up
     
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    "Militia" does not conjure up good images for the general public. "Sporting rifle" is BS, the second amendment is not there to protect hunting. Rifle classifications should be simple like:

    Automatic rifle, semi-automatic rifle, lever action rifle, etc. That way, there is no confusion as to how these rifles function, no reference to "scarry" cosmetic changes, and no charged words that liberals can use to their advantage.
     
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    Very well said.
     
  24. glummer

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    It seems most posters are missing the point.

    It doesn’t matter what the sheeple think, if the courts buy it.

    A “militia rifle” is the one weapon that is certainly covered by the 2A, under the militia clause.

    For that reason, I would expect the antis to fight tooth and nail to prevent EBRs being seen as militia rifles. But that would be difficult to do, without positively specifying what a militia rifle is. This would put them in a very awkward, defensive position – they would need to identify SOMETHING as an appropriate militia arm, in order to say that an AR is not.
    The ensuing argument would propagate the idea that the 2A is still in effect, and that it definitely covers SOME weapons; both of which ideas, if commonly accepted, are beneficial to our side.
     
  25. armedandsafe

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    Glummer, I do believe you have seen the light. :D

    Pops
     
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